Faceless

No past ‘self’ no imposition of limit onto the present. Past ‘self’ imposed on to the present makes for a finite experience. No past, no imposition of self onto the present is a movement of the infinite/whole

Complete action Complete non action

Indeed

Yes good discussion. Maybe later we can discuss from what I see that thought attributes to itself the sense of ego/ the self/ the center. What do you say maybe some time soon? Not now though I have to spend time with my baby boy lol.

Thanks for discussing this @Haumea my only intention is for others to see the significance of this. So we can all live together in peace right ? ??

Others should be aware right?

The amount of time one has spent to become liberated is only an indication of the approaches they have chosen. I talk to many people who say that they also have been doing this for 20-30 years yet they still don’t grasp the nature of thought which is mechanical, fragmented, limited, dualistic, and time bound. They ask me how I know about the nature of thought so well and I just tell them I observe myself very carefully. After a while they asked me how long I had been doing this and when I told them they couldn’t understand how that is possible. The only thing I can think is conditioning never seemed to stick that deeply and I have always been so what aware of the movement of thought and fragmentation. I don’t understand how others take so long to grasp this and they don’t understand how I got it so fast. Either way as long as we agree that fragmentation should be explored for others than we are all good right??

Lol you got that right?

@Haumea Time=thought/self/mechanical/fragmentation any continuity in this form can not capture wholeness/timelessness

20 years!! Holly Toledo

Glimpses are thought induced. These glimpses will indicate that liberation was false... ??‍♂️...There is only one stage and that’s liberation. Then there is the immeasurable and timelessness. Centerlessness.

I have no idea what that means. This is why we must understand fragmentation.

Watch out for that mechanistic movement of fragmentation guys. It will get ya?

At least see what’s it’s all about?

That’s right. As I said learn yourself. Don’t learn from anyone? Typicaly/commonly the self/ego never falls alway. Thats because there remains the fragmented movement/time based progression. Continuity of the self that reaches for that state of timelessness. This is an impossibility. People spend years at this and yet don’t bring about any fundamental change in there daily conduct. I never even seen her before and don’t think I will again either. That’s not important. What is important to see is that Wholeness can not be taught. Doesn’t matter what she says. You have to explore yourself. Forget about her and explore fragmentation.

It’s easy for people to think there I thought has disolved when it is in fact in tact, if not even stronger and more pronounced than before. This shows the cleverness, subtleness of thought. Thought moves when we are not aware. One of the benefits of proper inquiry.

What Is all this jive about 500s-600s-700s and so on ?‍♂️? What is all this about?? Lolololo Anyways....The ego state ‘is the fragmented state’ and cannot be cultivated ‘transcended’ to integration ‘wholeness’. If you understand fragmentation this becomes quite obvious. So It’s simple folks! 1# Dont Take work shops. Don’t learn about your self through anohter. You are the teacher and the student. Explore without authority. This is responsibility right. 2# Learn about fragmentation, and the fact that when one is in this fragmented state there can be no integration. Lets not go beyond where we haven’t yet begun right??‍♂️

That’s right. To study zen as a means to liberation is depending on thought ‘time’ to move to no thought ‘the timeless’ If thought, and it’s mechanical/fragmented nature is understood this wouldn’t happen.

If you understand fragmentation you see these techniques and ideas are not going to work and you see why. To understsnd fragmentation you can act as your own trouble shooter and avoid all ‘designated paths’ claimed to lead to liberation. There is no pre manufactured path. By learning about one self you clear your own path.

I’ve only seen this video so I don’t know to much about her either. Personaly I would learn about this on your own but seems a lot of people like to learn from others. In this video she is only explaining on fragmentation. It is not Not her invention. Thank heavens. What she said about fragmentation is correct and important. Do you guys see the implications of fragmented thought and how it leads to such illusion/delusion? This applies to all that use thought. Especially the ones who are “most advanced” or supposed “masters” If fragmentation is not understood one is lost in there own inventions/creations. To understand fragmentation is to understand yourself....That’s what’s important ?

@Shanmugam Ah I see?

I don’t know anything about Vedanta, or any other theory’s/concepts/ or philosophical knowledge but this seems rather familiar to me in relation to my inquiry and understanding of thought and liberation from the self. Vedanta (IAST, Vedānta, Sanskrit: वेदान्त) or Uttara Mīmāṃsā is one of the six orthodox (āstika) schools of Hindu philosophy. Vedanta literally means "end of the Vedas", reflecting ideas that emerged from the speculations and philosophies contained in the Upanishads. Veda (n.) ancient sacred Hindu book, 1734, from Sanskrit veda, literally "knowledge, understanding," especially "sacred knowledge," from root vid- "to know," from PIE root *weid- "to see." The books are the Rig-, Yajur-, Sama-, and Atharva-veda. from Sanskrit vedānta, from veda (see Veda) + anta ‘end.’ The end of memory knowledge experience ‘The self’ ‘Thought’ I saw you post and explored this word Vedanta. Just seemed interestingly similar? ? ??

@egoless ? ??

Yes research ?. Not on her but fragmentation. never follow anyone.

Just investigate fragmentation and don’t get caught up in what anohter says. She didn’t invent that sharing of fragmentation. You can see it in yourself. Also you can do research on that without accepting an authority. Your the explorer, explore?