Faceless

fantastic video @cetus56!!!! ?? This video was on point. Well put together. It resonates with my own experience and non experiencing. I think this vid was a good idea to show to others?

Why do you think u need to do all those techniques for liberation? How do you know that those lead to freedom? How fo you know enlightenment exsist? It’s important to known that freedom from seeking freedom is not a matter of time ‘years of experience’.. nor does this freedom from the desire to be free come about by the movement of volition. This is an instant action that takes place. Dont play the it takes time/years of experience game. This is utterly false. If this happens to someone its because they were using time ‘movment of becoming’ or ‘thought’ as means of entering a timeless realm. ‘ action free of thought projection, motive or volition’ The approach is everything.

It’s the clinging, demand, volition. First we search to find out who we are, our ego or self. Then the Ego seeing that is illusory then tries to find the self ‘god’...This is the same process repeated over and is an indication of the degree of seeing and understanding that determines the extent of union with the immeasurable. It’s the same ol movement nt of attatchment and grasping for something. Psychological time ‘time bound’ movement falls way short of the timeless. The sun doesn’t need to shine on itself. Tat Tvam Asi? Don’t be a stage 5 clinger lol And remeber, neti neti

@UDT Its hard for most people to see the trap of experience. Especially when there is such a psychological demand for one. I have gone into experience on the forum and nobody really seems to see the significance. Maybe people will find out on there own. I have also brought this up with a few “life longers” and might have even made them regress by showing them the nature of experience. I know one of them has been struggling psychologically ever since. I regret this. I should have been more aware of the consequences before sharing. I have learned from that. If I share again I would only share this on rare occasion with certain people depending on where they are currently at. I would just be carful with who you bring it up with. If you have one who has spent there whole life thinking one way and you take that away from them can lead to hell for them. Some may not be ready. I understand where you are coming from?

This is important? This is a common self sustaining defense mechanism of thought. This habitual reaction to defend our self image will continue to move in various ways and attempt to remain undetected. But the more we observe with care the more difficulty the ego has in hiding its own deceptive patterns of thought. Oberving this in oursleves especially in relationship inevitably shows us the fact of what is actually happening. Watching that desire to change the fact to self sustain without interfering is essential. By not interfering thought starts to loose it’s continuity. This is the beginning of embodiment

Absolutely! This is intelligence. This intelligence is inherent in the living organism/environment. This is one of the most simple and essential statements that I have read on this forum. Most people think such an observation is come upon by hard intellectual work and is the product of time. It’s actually the opposite. The capacity to commune in harmony with the timeless is built into the organism/environment. The extent that there can be total communion with WHAT IS depends upon the degree that the observation can be maintained without an observer ‘THE KNOWER’ We just need a little inner silence so we don’t overlook its dynamic nature.

Then that is not freedom ?

What in the world are you guys watching lol

Or does wisdom comes with freedom? ?

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Sure And that self story is the influenced by other past self stories.

Abstractions based off abstractions. A result of the evolutionary nature of thought. Also the product of the demands for psychological security/ego permanence.

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Conduct as a result of complete action. Action of the whole ‘Intelligence’ .... love, compassion, creativity, joy, beauty. Truth/action expresses those quality’s in our daily life. How we conduct oursleves in relationship and so on. I’m sure we agree on this right?

I just mean conduct. How you live your life.?

Everything I share I embody actually. Expressing/sharing is the hard part lol

I her that lol ?

I understand everything you are saying. I think we use a different language explaining. I am well aware of this message. And I do feel there are assumptions and opinions being made about ones position and measure of embodiment. And when I say the whole I don’t mean all combined knowledge. I mean the happening. I’m aware that knowledge is a symptom/product of the whole. Truth is action. Action that is whole and not fragmented. Centerlessness is action that is whole or what people regard as embodiment. Again I know exactly what your message is implying and do express that in my Daily life. There is nothing you are saying that I don’t understand. Truth can not be invited by any means. The invitation prevents the action of truth from manifesting. The embodiment of Truth is only when the center has ceased. As I said before the experiencial truth is still within the field of ‘the know’...but only when the known comes to an end is there harmony of being. In this realm you are the action of truth. You don’t know or experience truth. When the you is not there then there is only truth. Do you see what I am expressing here buddy?? I think we we have trouble meeting mostly because of the way that we have come to our positions. You I’m sure are well read on non duality. Where I have observed duality directly without any attempt to alter the outcome of thought in its movement. This might be why we are having a launguage issue. Anyhow I don’t presume you are not embodying truth. I just wanted to show you how I go about my sharing with others. I understand your post totally without any doubt. In ways we share the exact same outlooks. I am not sure of the extent of embodiment you express in your daily life, though the deep extent of embodiment is what being holy implies. But never the less I am greatful to share this common interest with you. Remeber we are not seperate. Only thought through the center ‘what we know’ makes it seem so. Thanks for your posts nahm?? Dont forget though friend i am is action. It’s complete infinite action.

And remeber pursuing has its own opposite of not arriving. That alone causes anxiety and depression.

If you got a front row seat to this conflict/suffering. Don’t evade, learn about it. Don’t have the goal of escaping. Use it as a first person perspective to learn about the self/thought. This pain provides the energy to explore with passion. Much more efficient way to learn than the usual second hand learning through books and quotes. Use the experience of pain and suffering as an advantage. Go into the fact that You suffer and watch it. To escape the suffering is procrastination of facing it. Learn now by facing it without a goal to resolve it. Let it flower by letting it take its course. Let If go in what ever direction it wants to. But be aware of the directions and understand those very movements. Like a scientist observing wild life. Don’t interfere but observe without imposition of will. Might seem difficult now. But keep this in mind and when you are tired of being influenced by thought give it a try. If I can do it anyone can. I’m not special by any means. This forums ability to help you is very limited. This is a solo type of exploration?

I feel ya. Ive been through it all. Psychological abuse/physical abuse. Depression/anxiety. Multiple compulsive selfs/thoughts in contradiction to one another. You be aight?

Your seeking pleasure. When one seeks pleasure they may not be aware of this but they are also seeking pain and suffering as a result. To seek in any way to attain a sense of psychological security only invites psychological insecurity. Can’t have one without the other. These are inseparable. Actually one and the same. First of all there’s the fear that one might not attain which casues prepetual conflict. Then there is the fear that once this pleasurable experience is captured we grasp on and cling to it. And when that pleasure experience fades we feel we are left with its opposite of pain, sorrow, and suffering. Then we chase that pleasure through the movement of thinking which creates an obsession that casues anxiety, depression, anger, and further pain and suffering. We are always fighting to keep pleasurable experiences going to self sooth the psyche which is impossible. We are always striving for pleasure and always fear the inevitable opposite side of the coin. To seek or to invite ‘psychological time’ as means to maintain psychological order only brings conflict, contradiction, and frustration. Seeing this fact can be an opening for intelligence to act as an insight that can pave the way for complete and total action away from the prepetual movement of seeking either or and just simply allowing what is to be. Not grasping, reaching, striving, but simply content that there is nothing wrong with feeling not so incontent, except letting the measure of these two determine your state of being. I know it sounds easyier said than done but it’s correct. Anyway you will get there buddy. My advice of this is simply, just to live and stop trying to find a reason to. Don’t fight against the flow of the river go with it.?

Excellent??

Excellent that you are interested in this stuff. I enjoy talking about this stuff with you and others. Most people dont care about it that I see from day to day so to share this interest with others on the forum is very cool.

I’ll check it out?