Carl-Richard

I'll get back to you on that. The thing is you know there are products that people buy by the virtue that you are yourself buying some of those products. And you can sell them if you would buy your own product. Then the only question is about getting the product to the market, which in the age of social media ads (depending on your marketing skills) is basically only a question of some minor starting funds (and that I do actually have real experience with which is what drove me partially to do things in this direction). And if the product is easily scalable, that's a feedback loop that can grow very quickly.

The thing I'm onto is that language is like 0,00001% (actually 0.0000034%, not so far off) of our evolutionary history of life on Earth, and that before that, we were experiencing the world through senses, perception, feelings, sounds, sights, colors, smells. And then in 67 years, we created something that quacks like a human, but then we forget we only started quacking like humans ourselves not that long ago and that it's not such a big deal.

Yeah he only needs to shave his head 👀

You could make it outgoing, it depends entirely on your business idea. Gotta think outside the box for this one.

I just want people who think LLMs could be conscious (not talking about you Leo) to think about what an LLM really is. It predicts statistical relationships between words. Ok, so let's remove the words. What do you have? Something that predicts statistical relationships between things. So if you were to look at raindrops falling in a certain area, you could have an "LLM" that predicts where would you most likely see the next raindrop. Now, looking at this thing in action, how alive would it seem to you? How likely are you to project the idea that it is conscious onto it? When you remove the mystery of language that drapes people's experience of LLMs, it becomes clear how different from "life" and also probably "experience" these things really are. That said, will I claim I "know" whether LLMs are conscious or not? No, and I think it's just a scary thing to decisively make such a judgement, about the possible sentience of another. But if you were to ask what I would guess, what is the most reasonable thing to think is most likely the case, then LLMs do not seem very good candidates for consciousness.

Vibe code something you would like to see on the internet or as an app and that is monetizable (e.g. through a service or product, membership, etc.), use Canva and Meta ads for marketing. Ask AI how to vibe code (it's really straightforward now after AIs can edit your files live on the computer; for ChatGPT this is called Codex and you must download the app for it to work like that). So a monthly 20$ ChatGPT or equivalent AI company membership and some time and you'll already have big potential. "But everybody is vibe coding". Firstly, no, basically only coders and perhaps some few other nerds started vibe coding when it became a thing. Secondly, finding a product people will buy is not hard, and it's about executing it to a reasonable extent that is marketable, and you have to be able to market it (which depends on your marketing skills and general intelligence if you're doing it by yourself). And then you only need a bit of capital to get the ball rolling (Meta ads require a little bit of money for results) and suddenly you'll have 20-50-100 subscribers and income which you can siphon into more subscribers again. And when I say "vibe code", I don't mean sending one prompt to ChatGPT and asking it to build an entire website in one go and that's your entire work done for you. I'm talking about meticulously building a good product with repeated refining of your product over time using vibe coding and just your general creative impulse. People who think vibe coding is a gimmick are the same people who thought Excel spreadsheets or just computers in general were a gimmick. If you use it to magnify proper work, proper effort and aim, that's what decides the output. Everybody can write one prompt, but not everybody wants to write thousands of prompts and polish recursively what comes out.

I think the need for coherence is a basic human need. It goes under "mental" needs. I created a map for this. What you call needs, how to meet them, and how to understand them in a larger systematic perspective, is what terms like "meaning", "holism", etc., is about. Thinking about these things can help you a long way in getting your needs met. Because you have a need for thinking about things, and it's part in knowing how to navigate and get those needs met.

I do actually find it a bit offensive and controversial. Watching Leo's career I think he is influenced by thousands of years of religious traditions.

Leo must be influenced by thousands of years of religious traditions saying exactly the same thing. "But he says it differently". Bullshit.

How do you meet those needs?

So you agree that philosophizing is consistent with ensuring your well-being, and you're doing it yourself, so why do you say you shouldn't do it? Are you talking about a specific form of philosophizing? Sounds like you're getting fixated on something very specific (basic needs) because you were without them for a while. But you'll see that if you have these very things, you can still have issues. Take the recent case of RJ Mitte as an example, or other similar cases of successful people who seemed to get their basic needs met but still felt like ending themselves. I would say in the majority of these cases, the issues had to do with meaning (and if you want to be more or less general, it always has to do with that). Basic needs are basic. When they're covered, your focus moves over to something else.

And being logically correct, insightful, meaningful in how you interact with the world? If not, why would you care about writing in a coherent and understandable way, why would you care about coming to the conclusion that indeed it's all just about pain and avoidance of suffering? Why would you care that I disagree? You call other people's philosophizing pointless, but what about your own? Doesn't it strike you as meaningful?

It matters for those couple of minutes of the day where you become hungry and you eat your food, and then it doesn't matter any longer. That's how meaning works: if you continue eating after you're full, that's meaningless. Meaning deals with what is fitting and appropriate for each moment, and that changes moment to moment. You don't socialize 24/7; you also have to sleep. And you don't sleep 24/7 either, you also have to get up and take a shit and do stuff. Then you eat food sometimes, then you do more stuff. What stuff you do tends to matter a bit more than the basics that you have to do, unless you fail miserably at the basics and you don't get to do them satisfactorily. Except for that case, you only have so much time to eat and shit and lay in bed. That's also why people philosophize because 1. they try to figure out what is the best thing to do, and 2. they have the time to do that. And 3. it's even meaningful to do that, or it is experienced as meaningful to do that. Even you writing a rant about how pain and taking a shit and eating foods is the most meaningful thing there is, is you philosophizing and spending your time not thinking about pain or eating or sleeping. Because that is what you experience as meaningful in this particular moment.

@blankisomeone "Pain" is a brute word. It's about meaning. Philosophizing can create a sense of meaning because it can create coherence in your experience (and it can do the opposite as well, but that's arguably one of the most core implicit aims). And you can do what is "painful" in the short term because it is beneficial in the long term, which is to bring purpose to your life. You can avoid eating and even shitting because you're so engrossed by something meaningful. Happens to all kinds of people all the time.

Zinc is involved in so many dopamine functions (synthesis, direct receptor action). A high dose of zinc (e.g. 30 mg of zinc picolinate/bisglycinate) can actually somewhat mimic ADHD medication (but be careful with getting enough copper if dosing high). Calcium is directly involved in neuronal signalling. Too low and your brain is literally not firing. B-vitamins for energy production, D-vitamins (dopamine and serotonin), co-factors like magnesium. All of these are essential nutrients that you should try to get from your diet, but if you have nutritional holes, you should try to fill them.

That's something you're exceptionally good at and it's one of the most underrated things that people should learn from you: to write in a clear and straightforward way.

No.

That whispering narration is so icky. 3:56 Fake news. Harvard estimated scaling will break. The hype is too coked up.

Anything that can be said of you as a person that is somewhat stable over time is a trait.

What Leo did with solipsism is like going into an art class and saying "today we're going to learn about the theory of colors" and you start talking about different electromagnetic frequencies of light, or going into a lecture about consumerism and capitalist excesses and saying "today we're going to talk about the traps of materialism, starting with Newton and then we move to the logical positivists and finally the neopositivists". Learn to read the room.

Both. What supposed difference are you referring to?

😂😂😂 Quod Erat Latinum Est Mi Lingua Materna (Demonstrandum). Yes it is. You're thinking basically exactly like Leo in more or less every breath you take.

This is such a new thought, unprecedented ground, complex and complicated issue, that I would have to let it sit (the connection between AI sentience and psychic phenomena). Everytime I think about it it's like when you look at a lenticular print where you tilt it to the side or a Gestalt shift visual illusion, it keeps flickering back and forth. I've proposed this as a question for the next Bernardo Kastrup Q&A on AI which will be the 24th of November. It's like when you already have two poorly understood phenomena, combining them is bound to cause some serious question marks.

This forum has a severe case of groupthink. Practicing groupthink while actively deluding themselves that it's not that. Now groupconvince me.

For me, my first awakening was the day before I had a physics test, and I had zero anxiety leading up to and during the test. That was so unlike me at the time. And that sense of grounded calmness became essentially a default mode. Before it was the opposite. A possible confound is that I became incredibly focused on recreating that experience so I started meditating like a madman. That said, it mostly eliminated anticipatory anxiety (at least the mental kind), but interestingly social anxiety (in the moment) while it also was impacted, still had many of the usual patterns. Social anxiety is a curious case where you can feel incompetent in the moment and you feel it reflected in the other people's reactions to you (and a lot of this is learned behavior from years of interactions which takes time to change) and you might also pick up on their anxiety as well which itself can arise as a result of your own perceived incompetence and slight anxiety, it's just a big mess. Yes during my first awakening. My field of perception was centered about 10 cm above my head.