Carl-Richard

Gary Weber does not get talked about much, but he brings an important perspective on enlightenment that integrates modern neuroscience and it allows him to make very precise distinctions about how the enlightened mind functions. Very insightful interview.

Cessation is where all sensory phenomena disappear; time and space, sounds, sights, gone. I've not "completed" a cessation, but I have entered what felt like the beginning of it because I was so close to simply disappearing (I aborted before it happened). It felt like being slowly injected with anesthesia. Body, mind, thoughts, location, all disappear. The center dropping out (if I understand you correctly) or mind being quiet is not quite the same; it's ego dissolution but sensory phenomena is still occurring. I've had intense ego dissolution that did not seem like cessation (the "oh shit I'm dying" feeling), one time while listening to music (and I was still hearing the music when I got the feeling), but it absolutely blew my mind still. But the thing about those experiences is they can likely lead to cessation if you keep letting them unfold and especially if you stop moving your body (I've never heard about somebody entering cessation while moving). Somebody like Sadhguru, when he describes closing his eyes, he says "the world just disappears". He said he was doing a brain measurement once because people were curious and when it was over, the people allegedly started hitting him with a hammer to make him come back. And funnily enough, they said his brain readings said he was dead. It seems like when you're enlightened (which I think Sadhguru is), you'll basically automatically enter cessation if you close your eyes and stop moving for long enough.

Fucking god no.

Not at all, hypotheses tend to precede the testing of said hypotheses. But if we provide evidence, will you read it or will you pretend like you never asked for it? By the way, if we need evidence of psychic phenomena, I had intially planned to simply type the sentence about evading presented evidence instead of the long disposition of hypotheses. But you would've accused me of being obsessed and passive aggressive (you'll maybe still do that).

The intentions that are "doing" the manifestation could be influenced by other things (mind states, etc.) perhaps in positive or negative ways, so that would be one mechanism. And the way the intention actually does the manifestation could also have a mechanism (i.e. it has a causal structure you can analyze), but we maybe just don't know about it yet (hence you would call it "magical"). And of course, like I've put earlier, mind states associated with manifestation beliefs can influence actions that create the desired outcomes (that would be another mechanism). You can also create a causal model based on interpersonal psychic assumptions. If intentions formed in one mind can affect another mind psychically (or the intentions exist in the larger "mind space" that people's individual minds are somewhat tapped into), it could influence the actions of other people in a given direction. Hence the "universe" (other people) selects for actions in that direction, in a "magical" way. Besides, interacting with other people with an intention in mind could create microscopic non-verbal cues that influence people in a certain way (which would again be a case of mind influencing actions).

Can you explain cessation?

I'm saying if you don't have experience of cessation or being established in enlightenment, you don't know what it's like.

Did you have a cessation?

But you don't know that if you haven't experienced it.

So if you have not had a cessation, how do you know it's not higher than "God-realization"? And same for enlightenment (which cessation is usually a pathway to).

@Leo Gura Any confirmation?

Especially ham sandwich.

Accidentally aspirating saliva, choking and unchoking yourself with one slight cough after giving a compliment is the most attractive thing you can do as a man.

I think people who believe in manifestation are actually more likely to succeed in things because they have an optimistic disposition and they are taking opportunities as they see them. It's basically impossible to believe in manifestation and not do anything in order to manifest what you would like to happen. Because even if you want to manifest something ridiculous like money magically appearing inside your bank account, you would have to open your bank account to know that (and you will probably be proactive in that). Optimistic disposition, looking for opportunities, being proactive about achieving an outcome, that's a mode of being that trickles down into everything you do (and you will do a lot in the course of a lifetime).

Hatred stems from identifying something as "other" or not oneself, not in accordance with ones desires, values, autonomy, etc. And intellectual understanding can help to bring your identity into a more inclusive place, but it's not necessarily going to completely collapse all identification. That probably requires a bit more.

Anything stimulating / energy increasing tends to make it harder to fall asleep.

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It's more realistic, but it's not impossible. You just have to keep going. If the love is strong enough, you can't help yourself from keep going. @Davino claimed you have never had a cessation. Is that true?

👀 I'm a bit bummed I can't see hidden comments anymore but I also feel like I don't want to in this case. That thread was a bit off to begin with. Now it feels ominous.

Don't you have a girlfriend?

The emotional sensitivity and range. And that it feels like they can sometimes literally see things that most men can't see.

Bruh.

Wuuut. You did the C-word self-nuke? 🙂‍↔️ When was this?

I'll take Gary's word for it, he gives me that energy. I don't really need a brain measurement, I have my own device 😆. It's just the brain measurements seem very convincing and insightful, in that they seem to actually be measuring the thing we're talking about quite accurately. Do you see that exponential graph? It's like flat lining. "Alright I'll do nothing" -> *brain goes wooooom*. @Inliytened1 Bruh am I trippin, where's your green text.

Awakening you return to normal. Enlightenment you stay expanded. If you were to just sit and do nothing right now for four minutes like those in the study above, will you have thoughts about self, thoughts about the past, the future, or will there be complete silence, being? If the former, you'd expect your brain to look something like the novice meditators above. If the latter, you would expect to look like Gary Weber's graph.