Carl-Richard

Lol, I don't know about that. Unless I genuinely start feeling like my brain power is exploding, it's not something I'll spend much time thinking about.

I'm personally going to play it every day. It's kinda fun too.

You could argue it's even more drastic, as he went from being 1/50 to 1/10000. He went from being very high IQ to genius level. The type of work that becomes available to you in that jump is more valuable than going from say a janitor at 87 IQ to say an office worker at 100 IQ.

That sounds god damn horrible ?

A 13 point IQ difference is huge. 100 is normal, 87 is too low for working virtually any job, and at 83, you can't even join the military.

The guy with the 13 point increase practiced Dual 4 Back for 400 hours.

Your working memory is less like a storage space and more like a working space.

I tried it a few times. The best I've got is 67% correct on Dual 2 Back, and I'm very sleep deprived ?

I'll try it out to see if it improves my thinking.

When the person you're "debating" doesn't know how hypotheticals work, that is when you exit the conversation.

Many people think they're different (I've even talked to these people), but only recently, I came up with an interesting thought experiment that shows that they're the same thing. Imagine that you have a normal treadmill, but instead of the usual length, you extend it many times the usual length (let's say a mile). Stand still on the treadmill and gradually turn it to running speed. Now, before you start running, the material you're standing on is obviously stationary relative to your body, so when you start running, it's just like if you were to start running on the ground (because the ground is also stationary relative to your body). So the only real difference between running on a normal treadmill and the ground is what happens before you hit running speed. On a treadmill, you might jump on at high speed or experience some inertia before you start moving your feet (and of course, there is a difference in air resistance). And if you're confused by the background being stationary while on a treadmill vs. moving while on the ground, imagine that the material under your feet on the treadmill also has walls on the sides (so you don't see the background, and when you start moving, you'll be moving relative to the walls). That would be just like running on a moving train.

Nah you have to be trolling.

So I guess it's an intention to do those things. You can argue that awakening leads to the ego being healed in a spontaneous and intuitive way, rather than an intentional way. But that is just one way to heal your ego, and I don't see it replacing the role of shadow work. You can still do shadow work while being awakened, and you will probably be more inclined to do so (or at least be better at it, as @SeaMonster pointed out in the other thread). You'll still be able to form intentions, plan things and set goals, despite being awakened. Awakening is not a lobotomy of your higher mental functions. It only frees them from certain constraints. So I don't see shadow work being "bullshit", just "different shit" than awakening.

I don't even run at all, because it makes me feel like a sissy afterwards ? (for the next two-three days, probably due to increased cortisol and a subsequent decrease in testosterone). My dude, I'm arguing against people who think they're different for the same reason that I would argue against people who think the Earth is flat.

Because it's a physical reality.

When you become very aware, everything in your field of perception becomes as vivid as the sensations in your body. It's as if the field of perception becomes your body. When you're in a more contracted state of consciousness (more survival oriented), the body feels more central to your experience, because survival limits resources and narrows attention, and the body is very central to survival. But when your survival is largely taken care of, you can enter more expanded states. Of course, you can also enter expanded states when you expose yourself to extreme situations that disrupt normal functioning, but those states are usually not sustainable for long periods of time (unless they're integrated into your normal functioning). Most people struggle with being stuck in some type of survival mode all the time, and they're unaware of how they can turn it off, because the nature of human problems is that they are largely unconscious and requires deep penetrating work to untangle.

@Javfly33 How do you define shadow work?

@Leo Gura @gettoefl Here is another thought experiment that is comparable to jumping onto a treadmill set to high speed: Imagine being on a train that moves at the same speed as the belt on the treadmill. Let's say you're hanging from some handlebars to where you're able to drop yourself off the train and onto the moving ground. There is no real difference between the moving belt on the treadmill and the moving ground with respect to what you will experience as you jump onto it and start running (in terms of moving your legs). People only think they're not the same because they instinctively treat the ground as some absolute reference frame of motion. The ground is of course not really stationary either. It's spinning in space at 1000 miles per hour as Earth rotates around its own axis. So running on the ground should also be like "only lifting your feet", as it's moving so fast, right? Nope. This is basic relativity of motion ?

Agree. I was mainly focused on the physics.

Nice.

@Dauntment If you grant that everybody uses the same cognitive functions in various degrees, and that the variation is normally distributed in the population (like with all personality traits), you should expect most people to fit into many MBTI personality types. You could also expect a statistical best fit, but you shouldn't expect it to be seriously different from other types (e.g. 12% ENFJ > 11% INFJ > 9% INTJ > 9% ENTP > [...]).

Your life as a biological human on this planet.

What — you want to add to that? ?

You can break the identification with your body, but the body still needs food and care, and it will affect your llfe. Shadow work is similarly about taking care of certain aspects of your mind, and it will affect your life, regardless of breaking identification with your mind or not.