Carl-Richard

On Death, Part One, by Max Klinger.

Interesting picture that resonated with me. The scenery awoke some memories of similar sceneries.

The point is that you don't exit the illusion. The illusion is still there, but you just see it for what it is. Illusion, dream, whatever. The dream metaphor is just more visual. In a dream, things seem like reality, but it's really not, but you don't know until you wake up (and it's possible to wake up inside the dream, i.e. lucid dream). Another reason why the dream metaphor works is because you wake up to something that is beyond the dream or physical reality (emptiness, formlessness), but somehow, you carry that realization into the dream. In other words, you still live as a physical being while having your experience dipped in formlessness.

It doesn't feel like a lucid dream in the sense that things are vague or ephemeral like in a nightly dream. It's a lucid dream in that things actually become clearer. You go from a murky and fuzzy dreamland to a clear and pristine lucid dreamland — reality.

You can still do that, but you won't feel like a person doing it. It will be a movie about hot chicks walking by and your body moving after them. You "transcend" the ego, the body, the self, but the self is still there, doing its thing. That is why this is my favorite quote (paraphrasing @Moksha): "Enlightenment is becoming lucid in the dream". You don't wake up and the dream ends. You wake up and the dream continues.

You're speaking to death himself, my guy ;D

Overwhelmed as in "oweee poor mee's, I dunno what to dooo, who am I in this chaos, what is going on..."? Basically, yes. Overwhelmed as in "I have such a strong desire to fulfill this goal, I'm overwhelmed by drive and purpose, I'm drowning in ecstatic bliss, rapture and the wonder of life"? No. You can have those things when enlightened, but if they're not virtually constant, they will be very streamlined and fleeting. Rarely will you approach a problem and feel stuck. Neuroscientifically speaking, enlightenment puts you in a constant doing-mode. There is very little room for hesitation, at least moment to moment. You can "hesitate" or withhold making a decision; you can be wise and wait things out; but indecision due to personal calamities and generally unstable behavior is rather out of the picture definitionally. You could imagine someone regressing in their state due to severe environmental stress or illness, but other than that, no, they're pretty much beyond that. If you look at sincerely enlightened people; the way they act, the way they move, speak, emote; it's like a flowing stream. They have let go of something big, partially the desire to control, partially the desire to be something, to have something, to let something be other than it is. And of course the paradox is that on the outside, it looks almost nothing like it. They are doing so many things, they are making so many apparent decisions, have such strong desires and values. To discern enlightenment, requires dealing with subtle clues.

What troubles do you have with survival?

There is no "you" having to do anything in a "complete" state of awakening (enlightenment). If you fear being unable to function, then that is a fear you have to let go. You have to trust yourself. It takes infinite trust. If you don't want to let go of that fear, then don't. Maybe the reason you don't want to let go is that you want to keep doing things as a seemingly separate individual that feels like they're in control. Maybe you are insecure about something, or you have some unfulfilled desire. Identify those things and pursue them. Then come back to awakening later.

He is a little on the spectrum I would say. It's a meme in the comment sections that when you go on JP's podcast, it's not him interviewing you, it's him having a "conversation" with you. That's an euphemism, by the way, just like "assertive and rude" is an euphemism for narcissistic tendencies. That said, I also include people like Barack Obama in that. Trump is just a blatant narcissist, so I'm not comparing JP to him. But it's funny and peculiar that he would use the same traits to describe Trump to describe himself.

Behold the phenomena of transmission. Keep going, if you dare.

What if I do that and have 160 IQ and six fingers on each hand and six middle fingers and three arms? 6 6 6 (don't get lost in the joke, it was a sincere point 🙂).

I bet OP did not have this in mind but rather thought about one or a few features of themselves that they consider out of the norm and wondered how it would be to not have those things. If it was not so painfully personal, I would ask what those things are.

Ooh. But don't you know "spiritual" around here means "knows about non-duality and watches every one of Leo's videos immediately when they come out"? 😉

Ok let me try: average is anybody who isn't "spiritual".

Nooooooo 🙈 I'm genuinely curious 😩

But what is the definition? 🤔

How many red pills have you snorted?

You don't have to share with children things they don't understand.

What even is an average person?

@Greatnestwithin It's very ironic, because he uses the very same traits he uses to describe Trump ("assertive, not polite, but compassionate") to describe himself: And it makes sense that he would use that language to essentially defend Trump's narcissism, as he probably does the same thing in his own mind with his own narcissism lol. Funny case of projection.

How much DMT is that exactly? JP has also admitted to taking massive doses of psychedelics.

I've somehow always envisioned myself peaking in my late 30s (I'm 27 now). But of course, I started losing my hair when I was 18, so maybe that has something to do with it. Bodybuilders also tend to peak around that age. But I also felt like a passed a threshold at 25 where I started to feel distinctly older than the people in the 18-24 range. I'm very skeptical of medical hairloss treatments, especially hormone modulators.

Stuck, doesn't give a fuck; "it's the same thing!"— J. Peterson 😆 He seems stuck on a completely Exterior notion of truth.

What struck me is Dawkins is stuck in the Exterior quadrants of Wilber's Four Quadrants, trying to communicate with Peterson who jumps between all the quadrants.