Carl-Richard

Problem is there was no argument. Unless your argument is just "you don't understand, you need to experience the thing to know it's not personal illusion".

Maybe don't overdose on it? 😝

To add to that, the hippocampus is involved in the HPA axis (involved in fight-or-flight) where it sends inhibitory signals. Decreases in hippocampal volume is associated with decreased stress tolerance, and the hippocampus also shrinks from large amounts of stress. It explains why stress can lead to memory problems (as the hippocampus is famously involved in memory formation). So things that increase hippocampal functioning have positive effects on stress which ties to longevity.

Mr.* Mike. I always correct it in my head when I read "Dr. Mike" now. The internet decided to revoke his PhD status.

Not as vacuous as exercise science 💀 And that one is ironically lagging on the bio-psycho-social front (in my narrowly focused opinion).

In your outdated mind-body dualism paradigm, maybe. But in mainstream science, health is bio-psycho-social. Then great that a lot of research is being done on it (particularly showing that the mystical experience / spiritual awakening catalyzed by the psychedelic is the predictor for behavioral change, not the mere consumption of it or the "pure physical effect"). Definitely. It has come to this point. I've taken full courses that sole point seemingly was to show how mind and body/physiology are connected.

In the shit case, you can simply cut the shit and simply not eat. In the spiritual awakening case, it might not be so simple. Psychedelics can help in that regard. Yes, after 100 trips, the differences might not seem to matter anymore, but there are some really depressed, really dysfunctional people other there that might only need a little push before a huge set of bricks (not shit) fall into place. And people do eat shit to get a better microbiome, but that's a different story.

You're telling a rat to not disrespect the mouse? I'm the filthiest, ugliest, horniest @Eskilon, Buddhist rat that exists. But yeah, my point was serious, feel free to be serious or not be, I'm open and accepting for whatever, I just call it what I like to call it.

The point isn't whether the chemical has a "purely physical" effect like you're implying (which is an outdated idea by the way). It's whether it can reliably lead to improvements in longevity. If you for example have a spiritual awakening, single events like that have been shown to lead to lasting changes in the brain and thus behavior and thus stress levels and thus health and thus longevity. To think that something must be in some weird way "purely physical" to matter (which nothing truly is when it comes to humans), is an outdated paradigm even in mainstream science.

*Guy says he is going to do an experiment, perhaps 2-3 trips like with mushrooms, to see what happens to his biomarkers* -> "chronic". "Epistemic responsibility".

Brotha, you're mixing Scandinavia with Norway, and often it's called Fenno-Scandinavia when you include Finland (it's usually just Norway, Sweden, Denmark).

Thought he was Norwegian for a second there.

@UnbornTao

@Cred Consider that "not" masking is like talking to a child like they're an adult, or like they are you. Masking is making room for the external, to take in, to mirror. Simply being "yourself" as if you're talking to yourself in your own head, that's just being blind to what is happening around you. And you can make it a part of yourself to be receptive to those things (or at least be responsive to them, granted perceptual varieties). And that way, you experience it as being yourself, or at least as acting in line with your values (which in self-determination theory, this process of integrating external motivation deeply into the self is called "integrated motivation", which can be just as motivating as pure internal motivation or simply following your interests).

As for calling it survival (or Maya) rather than truth, does anybody remember infinite backflipping cartoon mouse awakening? Why is nobody asking about it anymore? Is it suddenly out of fashion? Or could it be that deep, all-pervading, non-personal, perennial truths are more pressing than some clearly personal hallucinations had in a psychedelic state?

Nothing normative was claimed in my statements. You're free to do whatever. Just know suffering means identification with that which is cyclical ("sequential"?). If you're not identified, you're not suffering (but of course, be careful turning this into denial and self-deception; you very likely are identified). That's why letting go is essentially the direct path to enlightenment. But do you want to let go? That is the question.

You neurodiverged him 🙂👏🌚

Ironically, the "truth-seeking" expounded here is survival, dressed up as truth-seeking. Give me the "next" insight, the "next" awakening, the "next" deeper understanding.

Even contemplating for yourself is like buying a sandbox from Walmart and digging in it. You're probably not going to hit the motherload. Your words, your concepts, your semantic web, is just bland Walmart sand. Everybody basically has it, only varying quantities of it. And your starting assumption should be that any sandcastle you build, has by any reasonable certainty already been built, perhaps using slightly different sand (what is Walmart in India?).

In what way? What makes it detrimental to longevity? Taxing the brain now? Why is it detrimental to longevity? How do you know this?

What are "bullshit jobs"?

Working out taxes the body as well. You're not supposed to workout 24/7.

Depends on how much of a beating you need.

First you have to beat it into a pulp. First you have to scream into the abyss as you get teared apart and sucked into it. Then it's a win win. [Abyss emoji]

Half-assing spirituality makes the self feel good. Whole-assing it kills it, permanently.