Carl-Richard

You can do meditation for 20 years and not get much results, just like you can do philosophy for 20 years and believe in solipsism.

😂 I wish I had read these philosophers so I knew exactly what you're pointing at. It does seem like it could make sense, I'm just unfamiliar with the concepts. I thought about including this but I would've been to long, and I wasn't sure how to formulate it. But that seems to make sense.

I didn't ask you about whether you have meditated for many years or your "level of awakeness". You brought that up.

Explain how "your eyes are you in 2D" in a way that is not beyond Terrence Howard levels of incoherent and I'll give you 100 dollars.

Yeah.

I'm a solo-clown-ist: I don't believe you can fit two clowns in a clown car. Why? Because I just drew that arbitrary distinction. That's what solipsism looks like to me. If I believe that I'm infinite consciousness dreaming up reality, I wouldn't use that to draw very particular conclusions about the finite. The infinite is infinite, that's it. And if I want to make statements about the finite, I would do that based on other finite things, like observation, intuition, logic, rationality. And then I would concede that I'm stepping out of the infinite in order to make statements about the finite (for the sake of understanding the finite). And when I do that, stopping at my own eyes also seems odd.

I'm just saying what I think. I could be mistaken.

I can also be dreaming that I'm on a vacation with my GF (imaginary of course) and we go to one of those tourist places where you can see through binoculars. Then when I see through them, my GF asks "what do you see?". And I answer: "mountains, birds, and also the Empire State building". Then when my GF sees through them, I ask her what does she see. She answers "I see mountains, birds and, yes, there is the Empire State building". Now, was I dreaming all that as infinite consciousness? Sure. Was it only me who saw the Empire State building? No. Was it only me who experienced the Empire State building? Probably no. If this is the case, it's very weird to say "other people don't experience anything" (which I don't know if you've noticed, people like to say). You can say it's all dreamed up, but that the dream should stop at my eyes, that's just odd.

How can you move in 2D space if consciousness is always in the same spot? Take some vitamins or something.

I don't think you do.

Space is visual extension. It's a concept with content. It's not nothing. If you draw two points and a line between them, that's space. If you don't draw two points and a line, that's more like nothing.

Consciousness has fish, consciousness has people, people have eyes, fish have eyes, eyes see only what is in front of them, what their eyes see is limited, it's a limited point of view. Do you agree?

Reality isn't just 2D. Wake up 😂

There is no room. When you take a psychedelic, you're in a psychotic state where everyday reality melts at the seams and you gradually start to deconstruct certain notions, but you didn't deconstruct it all the way. You were stuck in limbo, which is apparently what most psychedelic fanatics are, perpetually.

To show people something completely arbitrary which you conceived during a DP/DR episode during an alcohol-infused trip you had at a LAN party with friends? Sure, I also have stories from when I tripped with friends and spent an hour staring at a keyboard because I didn't know what the fuck was going on.

No, that's you describing individualized mind-body consciousness. Consciousness exists before that. You can deconstruct your mind and body right now if you try to sit very still and become one with silence and that which doesn't move (it usually takes practice of course). But you don't even need to do that; deep sleep is pretty much the same thing, but you probably don't notice that you actually are conscious during deep sleep, because you're too identified with your mind and body to notice the transition or subtlety of the state.

The fucking wall is a mental construct. Why draw an arbitrary line around the third dimension? All dimensions are a mental construct. This is why people fall into solipsism, making half-assed conclusions about what is a mental construct and what is not. I've had that on weed when opening the fridge. That doesn't mean much. Weird things happen in the illusion. Contemplate sober.

ChatGPT is actually pretty based.

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If Leo thinks a toilet exists but not other people, he puts primacy to some spatio-temporal entities over others, hence his metaphysics depends on space and time, hence it's not absolute (because space and time is relative).

You could also be a dual aspect monist when I think about it. You believe consciousness arises out of something that is not consciousness.

Not even your toilet exists.

So you're a materialist?

Anything that has an extension visually (not just in waking reality but also in your imagination) can be described by the concept of space. If you can draw two points and a line between them, that's space. Space is just a placeholder concept for things that extend visually. It doesn't matter if it's in a dream or not. The reason you think that is because materialists have hijacked the notion of space to mean space in waking reality (or outer space), which we can thank Descartes for when he drew the distinction between res extensa and res cogitans. But if you're an idealist, reality is indistinguishable from a dream. I linked a video earlier of an idealist that argued (from a scientific and philosophical point of view) that other people in waking reality are dream characters.

Did you see the picture I posted earlier? They are. I draw the distinctions (illusory distinctions) for the sake of pragmatism, for understanding the illusion. I have conceded that they are Maya and not metaphysical bedrock, in this very thread. Solipsists are the ones who ground their metaphysics in space and time by making definitive statements like "other people do not experience". If you don't want to talk about space and time, don't talk about others, let alone if they experience anything or not.