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@assx95 Look to the real world: The external conditions have been getting better and better, but our mental health has been getting worse and worse. Buddha only pursued enlightenment because he had everything he could ever want as a prince, but he was still miserable. Psychatrists will tell you that being rich and successful will not protect you against suffering. Neuroscience will tell you that your brain gets adapted to repeated stimuli and overtime lessens its effect. Physical pleasure is only experienced relative to physical pain, therefore hedonism is bound to fail. That is why spirituality exists.

I read somewhere that a guy cured his depersonalization by doing intense and prolonged biking cardio exercise. I have no idea though.

@Etherial Cat "Trolls are people too"

@SoothedByRain Lateralus is also a turquoise concept album

The dream state is used as an analogy. You've interpreted it as an equivalence. It's similar to a dream in the way that it's made out of mind, not matter. However, you could infact argue that the reset mechanism is also analogous, only across different lifetimes (if you believe in reincarnation).

@Someone here Yes. Reality unfolds in a certain way, but that doesn't mean it's made out of matter. A dream can seem to follow rules in the way how it unfolds, but to say that this means that the dream is made out of matter is a red herring. The conception of time being linear and absolute is directly tied to the idea that reality is a physical universe consisting of matter suspended in space, and that's why you say it's illogical. I would also argue that the idea of a first cause is a weasely concept unless you're willing to concede that this "first cause" is infact infinite, because you cannot escape the problem of infinite regression. Though like I said, something having an infinite causal chain is the same as something being caused by nothing, because you cannot actually find an ultimate first cause.

@Someone here It's meaningless to try to fit reality into a physical model, because reality is not physical . It's true that infinity is logically impossible "within" a physical model, but that doesn't mean infinity is impossible within reality. Science makes models, but models are not reality.

Seems like he is rushing a bit. He needs somebody to calm him down, take it step by step.

@dBiserov I gotta agree that was beautiful. I was smiling the entire video hahaha

@Someone here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length The Planck length is a statement about the limitation of the current models, not of reality. Models are like maps: they make descriptions about reality, but they are not equal to reality. A good map can take you from A to B, but if the map is completely identical to the terrain, it would be useless. That is why all models are inherently limited and all models collapse when facing the infinity of reality.

You propose that the world is made out of atoms, because for something to be "real", it must be possible to reduce it down to smaller components that can explain how it arises, right? Then naturally the next question is: what are atoms made out of? Quarks? Ok. What a quarks made out of? Strings? Quantum fluctuations? Ok. What are quantum fluctuations made out of? What causes these things to arise? Now, you may have noticed how this leads to the problem of infinite regression. What does that show? Well, either reality is infinite in substance, or you must concede that something being "infinite in substance" defeats the purpose of calling it a substance in the first place. Behind the horizon of the next step in the series of steps progressing towards infinite regression, there is an empty void of nothingness waiting to be filled. This way, literally nothing is causing anything to arise. This is just one of many ways to conceptualize the idea that there is nothing "behind the scenes", or "it's appearance without substance", but I think it can be helpful for those haven't yet had a profound awakening experience.

I had a cute little insight about how more modern strains of progressive rock/metal have been evolving in recent years, particularily how it's getting exceedingly harder to place a song into one particular genre, and that just reminds me of the integrative, multi-perspectival nature of yellow. It came to mind when my little brother showed me a song of Devin Townsend's latest album "Empath" where through the course of one single song often, you basically go all the way from opera-esque sections, straight into aimless prog noodling, into black metal breakdowns and maybe even some jazz-inspired sections

@Leo Gura Are you're gonna open up a stage red examples thread or do you see no point in it?

Let's be more concrete about it

@Free Mind I do agree that he isn't the perfect posterboy of turquoise, but remember that it's a broad category and not exclusively limted to just advanced forms of non-duality.

@Free Mind https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/23206-spiral-dynamics-stage-turquoise-examples-mega-thread/ Just saying

0:48-1:11 "We're told, everybody, that all things are bad. Bad is not good and good is not bad. Bad and good go together. You have to accept one to understand the other. You've got to accept yourself as God. You've got to realize you're just the Devil just as much as you're God: that you're everything and you're nothing at all." Very deep wisdom from a very flawed man.

Deepak is turquoise. Sam doesn't completely disregard turquoise, but he get's caught up in accusing Deepak of misusing quantum mechanical vocabulary and using the word God, which is orange. Jordan and Sam are actually fans of turquoise, but in their own very limited ways, and that is why they misunderstand each other. Either way, Jordan and Sam fear the woo-woo label because of their orange beliefs, so they will probably spend most of the time criticizing Deepak and Leo for that. Jordan would probably be more sympathetic with how Leo and Deepak are using the word God than Sam.

@Nak Khid Preaching your religion (or your atheism for that matter) just for the sake of it is actually against the rules. However, atheists reject the "stage blue traditional religion" concept of God (man in the sky). It's not the same as you're doing.

This is a good example of why green movements that don't integrate blue values get run into the ground very fast. This is a forum. It's not your mind. Be openminded, but the forum has a purpose, and it's being maintained by enforcing rules. If something goes directly against the interest of the forum, then don't expect to see it here.

I've posted this in another thread, but if you really want the epitome of low consciousness entertainment with a mix of all types of stages, try the Rajj Royale Podcast https://www.twitch.tv/rajjpatel. It's 6-8 guests from all walks of life, going at each other all at once. Basically, It's tier 1 fighting dialed up to 11. I like to watch it because you really get to see the different SD stages in action, but also because I hate myself . The comedic guests really save the show haha

What do you mean about that?

@Nak Khid You still have a limbic system that tries to avoid danger. Spiritual death is happening on a more subtle plane.

Are you actually dying right now in your experience though?

@Galyna Idk. I've had similar symptoms, but it all culminated with me feeling like I was going away and never comming back. Not a pleasant thing when you don't want it