Carl-Richard

That's theoretically possible, more so for red than any other stage, but what is the probability that only one person has developed a completely new stage and becomes the leader? Astronomically low. A new stage also evolves gradually over time, not just through a single generation, and by that time, the values have had time to spread throughout the society, especially on the scale of a single tribe. Yes, implementing values into society takes time, but I don't think it takes more time than evolving to a completely new stage. Those are two vastly different time scales. Evolution is generational, and politics is situational.

Ok, let's stick with purple. There was a time in history where purple tribal societies started started to turn into red tribal empires, and something must have caused that shift. How would you explain this evolution? More generally, how can the individuals of a society not somehow impact the structures of that society? Afterall, the society is just a collective of individuals.

@cobalto You shouldn't use substances like these for symptomatic relief. You're supposed to use them for dissolving the root causes of your issues.

The democratic process is one example. If the majority of the people are in favor of blue values, then they will vote for the blue candidate, and the society then becomes more blue.

What do you base this on? Personal experience?

If the consciousness of the people in the purple tribe started to consistently evolve past purple, then we would start to see that manifest itself in the structure of that society, wouldn't you agree? Your consciousness isn't a closed system. It's a part of a collective.

Well, that's where the differentiation between lines and states (different facets) and stages come in . You can have different facets of yourself in different stages (cognitive, spiritual, emotional, interpersonal, occupational, etc..) If we accept "consciousness" as its own facet without specifying it any further, then your "consciousness facet" would be above orange and your occupational facet would be orange (if a 9 to 5 life is considered orange). A society consists of individuals, and the stage of the society is generally the stage of the majority of the people in that society (unless you know about a specific facet of society that is prone to emergent phenomena and transcends that stage). A shaman might be predominantly purple, but he might have access to turquoise through trance states ("states" is also a type of facet).

Openness is not "equivalent" to intelligence, but they're strongly correlated. You ability to perform mental calculus is certainly involved with your ability to entertain different concepts in your mind. We're talking about the common conception of intelligence (atleast that is inferered when nothing else has been specified), which is roughly the western definition of intelligence (cognitive computational capacity). You can also define intelligence to mean God's infinite intelligence (which is essentially everything that exists), emotional intelligence, spiritual intelligence etc..

Bruh, I get you point, but cmon. The church needs money, not God.

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Openmindedness describes the tendency towards entertaining a lot of different ideas from a diverse set of perspectives, and that of course correlates strongly with intelligence. If you're closeminded, you essentially put your mind in shackles, but that is also an important survival strategy. Being closeminded grounds you. It's like being a solid: it's stable state of matter, but not much happens. If you're openminded, you're like a gas: there is a lot of action, but it's chaotic. You want some balance where you're able to be dynamic without completely evaporating, like a liquid.

The finest piece of blue propaganda I think I've ever seen lol:

Sit in meditation, quieten your mind, and focus on the thing you want to let go of and imagine what it would be like to live without it, and try to accept that. See if you notice any emotions that arise as a response and let them come up. Really feel those emotions and accept them. A key sign of having an attachment is that you're having unsolicited thoughts about it, and these thoughts are often fear-based. See if this practice makes a difference in the amount of thoughts. If you notice the same thoughts arising in your daily life, you can easily let go of them again once you've done it once already.

Hug people.

How non-libertarians run the government: How libertarians run the government: Ok I think it's time for me to go to bed hahaha

Might be due to the Marxist-Leninist one-party state government

Suffering arises from certain circumstances. Consciousness helps you deal with those circumstances, both internally and externally. On average and very generally, people living in the same society will face the same types of circumstances. Having a higher consciousness will therefore generally lead to less suffering on average. My feeling is that lower consciousness makes you more vulnerable to a myriad of different forms of suffering, and when you work through those, you evolve to the next level. When you evolve past one level, you discover newer levels of suffering that will make you evolve even further. However, the types of suffering that you experience become more focused and purified (existential, spiritual), and less random and coarse (behavioral, moral, egoic): For example, a stage red person who runs into authority (or a superior) will generally suffer more than a stage blue person (rage vs restraint), than an orange or green person (competition vs compliance), yellow or turquiose person (analysis vs. acceptance). Remember that we're talking about averages and generalities here I would agree that higher consciousness opens up for higher order forms of suffering, but that arises in tandem with the ability to deal with them. If you can't deal with them, you will naturally regress to a lower level where they're no longer accessible. For example, the dark night of the soul can cause a lot of suffering, and you can either evolve past it or regress back down depending on how you process it. When I think of "more suffering", I'm thinking mostly in terms of diversity and quantitity, not necessarily "depth" or "quality" as that is much harder to define. That's why I mean that the higher order suffering doesn't outweigh the lower forms: it's almost a pure numbers game in that sense. More types of suffering = more suffering, which happens at lower stages. You can also argue for difference in quality in cases where they seem more obvious, like starvation (beige) vs. self-esteem issues (orange), and like I did earlier (different stages in the same type of conflict). I also feel that the more severe forms of suffering mostly cluster around the lower stages (a combination of the quality/quantity argument). (I would take all this with a grain of salt though. This is pushing the limits of what I can muster at these very late-night hours )

Oh my god this is so funny So fragile.

If I were to guess, it's because they're an island like Australia.

Oh brother

Isn't this a semantic trap? "Deal more easily with suffering" just sounds like they experience less suffering. I don't see the distinction there.

A gentleman holds the door. A people pleaser is the doormat.

It might also be done as a pragmatic solution. I would imagine that performing proper arrests takes much more time and resources, and there might be a lot of potential targets that they have to deal with.

You seem to be conceptualizing higher states of consciousness as being more "needy" than the lower states of consciousness. I believe it's the other way around. When you're higher consciousness, you're more apt to deal with different situations, and that avoids many aspects of suffering that the lower states struggle with. I believe you're talking about niche cases where highly developed people feel like misfits or outcasts, that they don't feel like they belong or get outside validation from their immediate surroundings. I don't think those cases are in anyway comparable to something like a stage orange person who struggles with constant self-doubt, self-hatred, jealousy, cravings, attachments etc..

Will a stage turquoise person experience more suffering than a stage orange person in today's society?