Carl-Richard

Sure. I've been socialized to act suboptimally as well. Am I evil?

You say your conscience can bypass your socialization. I demonstrated how little socialization it takes to override your conscience.

All you need is a good excuse (meat eater esque "this is how I survive") and the same level of dehumanization you've levied against them ("they're not worthy").

You demonize what you don't understand. Strong disagree.

If we assume that we're currently in a low consciousness society and that we'll have a high consciousness society in the future (let's say 100 years), then I would say no. https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankateman/2020/02/17/will-cultured-meat-soon-be-a-common-sight-in-supermarkets-across-the-globe/

You die when you feel OK with being alive.

Systems system ?

or look at the examples where the hard work paid off in the end: http://growbalance.se/2016/11/20/ph-d-happiness-10000-hours-meditation-actually-brain/ You'll never know if you got bad genetics if you don't put in the work

Genetics is one facet of karma. It's just different ways of describing it.

Great example of INTJ's Fe blindspot. Eric Weinstein gets a lot of critique for the way he chooses to explain his theory of Geometric Unity. You can see this under literally every Joe Rogan appearance ("he is a conman", "he intentionally uses jargon to sound smart" "he likes to hear himself talk" etc.), but what is interesting here is that it's coming from a highly esteemed physicist (in other words, it's not simply that it's a complex theory): 58:48 "Nobody knows what you are talking about"

Not to be the "that guy", but the "nature = health" argument has been debunked: Even if you define health and longevity to be distinct concepts (which I do), none of them are particularly correlated with biological fitness (health a bit more than longevity). Blindly trusting nature as a dietician is a bit naive, because 1. nature only cares about whether or not you're strong enough to survive and fight off fertile competitors and 2. that you survive long enough to produce more self-sustaining offspring than your competitors; a.k.a biological fitness. Strength is also not the same as health. Even so, this is far from the whole picture of why a particular diet is observed in a population.

Consider for a moment the bulk of literature on non-dual mysticism that describes these experiences. Did all of them take psychedelics?

I mean... those numbers aren't too far off when you consider how some people get enlightened after 20000 hours of meditation while some stumble into an awakening during their third meditation attempt

My sober awakenings were and still are deeper than my LSD experiences.

The problem with Green is that it doesn't truly consider the value of other stages, not because it's unwilling, but because it doesn't perceive that there is such a thing as other stages. They are still stuck in "my perspective is THE perspective" even though they're knocking at the door of relativism. This initially seems like a paradox, because how can your perspective be THE perspective when you also proport to believe that "all perspectives are relative"? Well, the missing piece here is that one is unable to play the role of someone who is not a relativist. There is still a level of exclusion which we can call the "exclusive-inclusivity paradox". This phenomena can be observed in certain sectors of social justice, for example: "we're for diversity and inclusivity, but if you don't agree with us, you can go fuck yourself!". This type of disconnect happens when you're blind to the full causal chain behind why someone is not on your side, and in a classic Yoda fashion, this lack of understanding leads to fear, hate and an inability to consider their perspective (where they're coming from, what causes their needs etc.). In Tier 2, you start viewing people more as rule-constrained systems rather than free agents. One also recognizes how these systems go through different developmental stages (hence SD) and that they need all the encouragement they can get. One extends actual care and consideration in a strategic way (as opposed to the softness and idealism of Green care), and one does this by "playing their game" so to speak ("Spiral Wizardry"): addressing the root of each problem and meeting them where they're at. "Consideration" can therefore be about everything from acknowledging the validity of someone's concerns, to seeing these concerns in yourself and society in general, and the need to carefully negotiate these different concerns towards a holistic solution. In contrast, Tier 1 would maybe think "what is the best way to address my concerns and how can I make people adopt my point of view?". See the lack of consideration there? This is an universal quality of consciousness expansion: when you see the mechanics behind a phenomena, it leads to understanding and inclusion instead of fear and exclusion. When a Green relativist starts identifying/empathizing with the non-relativist points of view, he'll break through that barrier of exclusion and fully manifest the fruits of relativism. Of course all stages are capable of general empathy to various degrees, but it rarely goes beyond what serves them in some way. For example, Blue might empathize with somebody who lost their life's work but not the thief who stole it in order to survive. Higher on the scale, Green might empathize with the thief but maybe not a serial killer. At some point, the survival program (exclusion) overrides the love program (inclusion). Tier 2 is a huge step in the direction of love. There is a common saying circulating on the internet that goes something like this: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." This captures what Stage Orange is striving for: objectivity, or specifically in this case an objective approach to understanding reality. However, when you're unaware of the systemic and developmental aspects of the human mind, this idea gets very easily overshadowed by a myriad of self-bias/self-deception mechanisms. To borrow one of Cook-Greuter's concepts, you need access to the "5th person perspective" to actually become aware of how these mechanisms operate (seeing yourself and the world from an elevated meta-perspective). Stage Orange is aware of the "possibility" of this level of self-awareness, but it doesn't realize the depth of the task ahead and the significance of theory vs. practice. Simply adopting the belief that you don't adopt beliefs just on a whim is of course not very insightful and also very ironic.

You really got a nerve bringing this guy to the forum. I'm being serious when I say he is everything that is wrong with diet youtubers.

Yes, in virtual reality.

Seems like you haven't watched any of them if you think God is a person

@YourConstruct Which video did you watch?

I want the full conversation.

Stephen Wolfram, founder of the journal Complex Systems (early involved with the Santa Fe institute), explains the limits of falsification (among other things) in a conversation with Eric Weinstein about their "Theories of Everything". 1:13:05 1:56:25 is also very interesting.

@Preety_India Stop I just ate ?

Apparently, the average age when philosophers create their most influential work is 44, and their breakthrough will in many cases be delayed even further. We still haven't seen the best yet. http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com/2010/05/at-what-age-do-philosophers-do-their.html

35:38-37:05 It starts off as a funny rant but it ends pretty deep . He talks about why people love Pirates of the Caribbean and ends it with "Life is love".

Not really but damn close lol