Carl-Richard

When you look at smart people and ask yourself how their values can be so different from your own, you learn that some values are just chosen a priori and indoctrinated into you as a child, and then you're stuck defending those values as your intellect grows. So-called "reasoning out your worldview from first principles" is not a thing.

@Aleister Crowleyy "Hehehe the truth isn't pleasant, therefore I can be an asshole." Get real.

I think quoting the Bible and then referring to a concept like the Holy Trinity for how to live a good life couldn't be a better example of Blue.

@Tyler Robinson What do you think about the video?

Ah yes, the wisdom of tradition, validated by experience. Traditions that have survived for long periods of time, especially those based on divine insight, contain knowledge of things like holism, which may not be exhaustively articulated in an intellectual sense, but which can be adopted by affiliation and still be experienced the benefits of. That could actually be a general definition of wisdom: knowledge that cannot be fully articulated, but which can be pointed towards through symbols (e.g. the Holy Trinity). The way he applies the Holy Trinity to the human being sounds like the biopsychosocial model of health, a modern approach to holism.

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I don't think Schmachtenberger or the other Game B guys are saying "this will work". Many of them are actually rather pessimistic. They're rather saying "if it were to work, this is how it would work". So whether Game B is actually possible or not is not settled. They're entertaining the possibility, sure, but at least somebody has got to do it. However, we know that humans are able to make massive adaptive changes to their culture. After all, the current game ("Game A") was preceded by "The First Game", i.e. pre-agricultural collectivist tribes. In a sense, Game B is about reintegrating some of those traits in a modern context (the "Global tribe", or an "Archaic Revival"). It's not really a new project, only on a different scale. I guess your question is about whether this change will mainly have to come from the "inside" of culture (i.e. "man-made", or figured out by some genius), or whether there has to be a strong outside force pushing it (like what agriculture was for Game A), and the latter is certainly possible if we look at technological growth. That is what agriculture was in the first place; technology. You can say all you want about society being in decay, but you can't say that technology is not progressing

I'm interested in your views, but you don't talk to me

What is your prescription for society?

Sitting down and intending to sit for a minimum amount of time. Now I want to do a poll specifically about people's meditation habits

I'm curious, how do you guys interpret "daily meditation habit"?

@Loba ?

So according to the poll I posted, even on a spirituality forum, only half of people who have taken psychedelics are meditating daily (without specifying technique and time spent). I wouldn't consider spirituality truly going mainstream unless most people have at least a daily meditation practice (or at least if you want it to be able to save the world). So unless everybody in the world tries psychedelics and are exposed to the information equivalent to Actualized.org, it doesn't look very promising. If you disagree with my criteria (daily meditation), what would you pick? For example, I don't think most of people talking about spirituality is a good criteria, because talk is not walk. Infrequent meditation is also not very likely to produce much results either.

I don't think that tells you much about your natural inclination towards spirituality.

Well, you have to remember that these people haven't been introduced to the same level of spiritual ideas as you have. That also matters a lot. I was pretty clueless about spirituality the few times I tried LSD. It just didn't last very long

? And then one of my other buddies went digging in the freezer, and he found a frozen raspberry which he wanted me to taste, and when it touched my tongue, it felt like somebody fired a gun in my mouth Just the most violent taste experience I've ever had.

These are like 8-12 people that I've hung out with who have taken psychedelics at least once (most of them over 3 times). Firstly, they've never tried meditation (except 3 of them, but they didn't seem to do it regularly). 80% of them smoke weed every day, pray to Jordan Peterson, and that's pretty much it.

Why are you rapping?!?

Bro! I swear, first time on LSD at my place, one of my buddies asked if he could make porridge. PORRIDGE!

That moment when you realize there is a selection bias because it's in the spirituality section rather than the psychedelics section ? EDIT: HAHAHAH now it looks like I'm spamming ?

Thanks!

They're probably more spiritual than if they didn't take psychedelics, but by the standards of this forum, it doesn't register on the scale. I'm not saying that psychedelics don't have benefits. I'm saying that people who are hardcore spiritual nuts who meditate for hours every single day were probably predisposed to that. I would like to see a poll on this forum of how many who have taken psychedelics and how many of them meditate daily and have had sober awakening experiences. EDIT: I made that poll: I just see too many rich guys who are not spiritual, that's all

The people I know that take psychedelics are the least spiritual people I know If psychedelics happen to not be very effective, I think there is a chicken and the egg problem, because I think we need something drastic like mandatory meditation and non-dual teachings in middle school for most people to become spiritually inclined, and I don't see that happening before most people are already spiritually inclined.

Do you believe in evolution by natural selection?

I don't believe collectively maxing out materialism will make everybody take up spirituality. It requires a certain person. Certainly more people will take it up, but not mainstream.