Carl-Richard

Addressing conflicts head on can create a period of temporary stability, whether through coercion, mutual agreement or compromise.

Sounds good. In my experience, as the gradually mind quiets down, thoughts not only becomes less frequent but more brief, subtle and non-linear. It goes from syrup to air. There are various degrees to it and can be mistaken for a thought-free state when contrasted with a previous state. Once the mind alters its trajectory to align itself perfectly with complete silence, there is an instantaneous, undeniable shift in consciousness, as if the brain is lifted outside of the skull, and I enter a state of purgatory between terror and bliss. I've yet to fully let go into that bliss.

I have a serious respect for Jordan's academic work. His understanding of the evolutionary relationship between perception, cognition and narrative is really worth trying to wrap your head around. It can broaden your understanding of how your mind constructs reality based on survival, of how language and culture is formed, of the various stages of human cognitive development etc. It's true that he tends to ramble a lot when he isn't constrained by somebody who can actively engage with him, but Lawrence Krauss is able to keep that in check here (he deliberately read all his work to prepare for this discussion and served as a critical but charitable mediator for the audience). I highly recommend this video if you want to challenge your perception of him:

What he says on YouTube regarding psychology (his academic work) is top-notch, solid stuff. What he says on YouTube regarding politics I disagree with. I just think you have a weird definition of academia, that's all

I view these as identical. Am I wrong?

The h-index is literally the definition of academic excellence, as in how influential your work is in academia (publications and citations). Just say you disagree with his political views or epistemology or whatever.

Bruh he was one of the most prolific researchers in his field and got cited out the wazoo even before he got internet famous. The average h-index score for any publishing scientist is 10. He had an h-index of 51 in 2019. A score of 62 is the average of Nobel prize winners.

Rough estimate: seconds, minutes, hours, days?

SD has a cultural dimension, and every culture has aesthetic expressions, e.g. music, art. What do Yellow people generally listen to?

Quickly made a rough overview over some different systems thinkers and the circles they're associated with. A lot of it is interconnected somehow (click on the picture if you have trouble reading): I tried to add just enough people to make a decent representation of each category and limited green arrows to across categories (I figured it's easy to make it into a mess). The direction of the arrows denotes the place from which someone or something draws inspiration or is affiliated with in a subordinate sense. For example, many people draw inspiration from or are somehow associated with Game B, and Game B draws inspiration from fields like Deep ecology. You can help me find more categories and people to add under them if you'd like

Here is my re-telling of Daniel Schmachtenberger explanation of some of the factors that lead to the transition from "the First Game" to "Game A" (don't remember which video):

It's an inevitable aesthetic once you try to condense it down to art. "Wholeness" and "regeneration" are systemically sound constructs and simultaneously sound like hippie jargon, because that's the truth. The hippies are intuiting something and the systems thinkers are articulating it.

How long do you think they disappeared for?

Aesthetically Green. It's usually Green people who listen to psytrance.

I just realized that category is a part of the developmentalists category, so I added a new category for constructivists and idealists and put him under that one.

Your friends, family and community needs you.

For sure. I think there is space for him.

I see a lot of good suggestions, but I'm hesitant to add more people to already existing categories (at least the fullest ones), because it gets too messy. I could easily copypaste 100 names straight from wikipedia. The point is to get a general overview and see the connections between names that mainly frequent this community (that's the best I can do as a non-expert). I would still like more suggestions for new overaching categories that don't overlap too much with the existing ones and new examples for those

Speaking of the devil, here we have most of the Game B guys gathered together (literally posted just 1-2 hours after I made the mind map):

For me, it's not really the pain that is funny. It's the way which the pain is gained. That's the entire appeal of Jackass and skateboarding falls (I think most of the guys from Jackass are skateboarders). It has to look like it hurt at least a little bit or you're not likely to get the effect, but even then, if the pain is too bad or it causes severe injuries, it's quickly not funny anymore. Those two videos were all pain, no gain.

Nice.

Sure. I've also had what you can call issues from experiencing awakening (or ego's reaction to it). It's still qualitatively different from the experience of DP/DR and ego's reaction to it.

The difference is that DR/DP doesn't make me go "Holy fuck! Me and the universe are one!" It's more like "wait... this is weird."

I've had derealization/depersonalization while sober induced by stress, while calm, and induced by drugs, and I've also had sober awakening experiences, and they're not the same.