Carl-Richard

So I was at the gym today, suddenly the entire gym starts smelling like the inside of a weed bag. And everybody were like "wut" looking confused, and the guys next to me were like "must be the ventilation system", and then they started talking about how they have been high at the gym before. It became so bad I decided to leave and take my workout outside elsewhere. And then I sent a tip to the local police cuz fuck that shit. It wasn't that I got extremely baked off my mind, but it's annoying getting that tiny buzz when you just want to get on with your day. Then after finishing the workout and I was about to walk home, the same intense smell appeared right outside the gym. I couldn't locate the source other than some weirdo on an electric scooter looking like he was drunk and staring at me. I swear that upped my tiny buzz by a little, granted placebo of course (you can refrain from commenting anything about placebo; I'm an ex-mega-stoner with a psychology background, ait?) Then I decided to jog home, and as I reached closer to home, I decided to take a bit longer route because I wanted a bit longer cardio workout, and I thought "man, if I run into anymore stoners, I'm gonna actually lose it" (this is a route I've ran into stoners several times before). And wouldn't you believe it, as I reached the most tunnel-like part of the route where there is just a long road with very steep hills on the side, there is this guy doing the classic stoner-lighting-a-joint move, and I'm like "you gotta be fucking kidding me", so I run past holding my breath, and a few meters past him, I of course had to breathe, and I inhale this what feels like a concentrated cloud of weed × tobacco smoke, and if I wasn't high already, now I was. And I'm like going to vote the Green Party in our election the next week which wants to legalize the sale of this shit? I'm like halfway between wanting to vote the most right-wing party we have and becoming a member of the Green Party just to influence policy about having stoners stay the heck away from public spaces. I mean cmon, gyms? Tiny ass roads where people are walking? Where the smoke is confined to a tiny area? That's poisoning of public spaces.

True, and I want to tighten the restrictions. Are you following what I'm saying?

Also, you guys talking like I'm not normal while I'm about to quote the most normie source possible: https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke.html

Wut 😂

This is my memory: I was working out, I was completely emotionally neutral, then I felt the kundalini rush in the spine and altered perception, then I later smelled the weed. Then I saw the bloodshot eyes person who smelled like weed. If you wanted to blame it all on an emotional reaction, you would ideally place the order of events in the opposite order. We already have banned smoking in public places. i just want tighter restrictions. Dogs are also banned in some public places and also some dogs on flights.

I also thought I didn't get high the first time I smoked it. There is a phenomena called sensitization. If you're an ex-stoner like me and you also were essentially traumatized by somebody poisoning you (+ you've had a large panic attack or ego death situation on weed, which was the reason I quit for good), it's not just paranoia involved, it's actual pharmacological and psychological sensitization going on. Then there are also individual differences in how you respond to weed (it is very psychedelic for me) and general introspective (and interoceptive) ability (long-time meditator, multiple big non-dual experiences). However, there are cases where even unsuspecting unsensitized people can get seriously high from second-hand smoke. It's just a question of concentration and time of exposure. If you're unlucky and you walk behind somebody on the street who blows a big cloud of smoke and you happen to inhale a big chunk of it before it has been widely dispersed, it's very possible that you will get high. It's a kind of a paradox: some people don't get high the first time they smoke, and other people get high from just a few puffs the first time they smoke. Some of it can be explained by sensitization, but I believe a lot of it can be explained by new smokers being inexperienced with the act of smoking and not getting enough into their lungs (and they are smoking in a situation where second-hand smoke is otherwise minimal, e.g. in a windy place outdoors).

Smoking in public is already not allowed. I just want tighter regulations. If people vote for it or not, it is what it is.

@theleelajoker I had a similar experience first night drinking with my college mates, first night out in a new town. Close to the end of the night, we sat down at some pizza place and started talking with random people who came in (also students). So this girl asks me "so you're from this here town *references my accent*?" I said "yes, true-bred 😊" (or something). Her: "Me too. Which part of town?" Me: *mentions part of town* Her: "Ah, where did you go to school?" Me: *mentions grade school I went to* Her: "Oh? I worked there for a few years as an assistant". Me: "🫨" Her: "You know this one teacher *mentions my contact teacher*?" Me: "yes 😯" Her: "She is now the principal of the school." And I was like "waaaaaaaaat 😵😵😵". Bruh, only a few minutes talking to this girl and she starts talking like she knows me AND blowing my mind at the same time 😂

Honestly, It was a kind of a throwaway thought in this context and was a humoristic nod to my other thread where I did debate voting Right or Left but for completely different reasons. But I could see myself sitting in a meeting arguing for stricter public smoking policies with regards to psychedelic-esque drugs, but as a representative of the Green Party 😁

It pushes the button of "through clever argument and reason, we can have our cake and eat it too, we can be efficient, pragmatic and caring all at the same time". The trouble though is that I do not have the deep penetrating knowledge of government or the economy to truly evaluate the arguments. All I can say "cool story bro, it would be cool if it were true, but here is another story which I can argue just as well, and we don't have the ability to simulate a science experiment with our government in a virtual reality, so we can't really test our policies in a rigorous way, we can only compare Sweden to Norway, apples to oranges, employment rates in 2021 with the covid pandemic in full swing to the employment rates of today". What this really is an expression of is my trauma of being straight out poisoned by somebody close to me as a prank with THC which actually made me "high" high, which was one month before an important exam and which threw me into a feeling of lack of control and heightened sensitivity to malevolence. So whenever I smell the smell of weed now, I'm reminded by how I was wronged and that I'm being wronged right now, and it's a heightened response compared to normal because of that trauma. But I still feel what I feel, so I express what I feel.

Yes, in fact, I'm running the forum live from the mental hospital now as we speak. Shame Leo is also schizo-friendic, my schizo-best-friendy. You know what is also not normal? Kundalini symptoms. You know what kundalini symptoms do? They make you sensitive to energy. What is also not normal is calling yourself "God". Or calling yourself "awake". Or thinking that you're the only conscious person in existence. These things can actually get you hospitalized if you're not careful and your hair is a bit messy and you forgot to brush your teeth and you slept bad last night so your speech is not as coherent as it could be. But we can run through a DSM-5 list (or ICD-11) together and I'll answer it as honest as possible.

There comes a point where it's no longer just "second-hand smoke", as in the dose is no longer negligible. Hotboxing a car, blowing smoke in someone's face, perhaps blowing smoke in the ventilation system of a gym.

I've also sent a police tip when some absolute knobhead transported an electric scooter on top of his electric scooter for 100 meters, placed it in the middle of the train tracks and left. When you put other people's lives, autonomy or livelihood in danger (a gym is a business), be it for your own gain or out of negligence, that's when law enforcement comes in.

I can't describe myself as hating people, and definitely not stoners.

Trueee. But it's intellectual on the same level as the posts in the self-development or politics sub-forum. It's not 🤓 intellectual, but 🧘 intellectual.

You can merge with other people's minds in expanded states, especially NDEs.

How many people do you think would honestly answer "do you value truth?" with "no"? Everybody is a fool. We're being fools right now. And there is being a fool and then there is being a dumb fool who retreats and backs down and collapses from a challenge. Who is insecure, contradictory, lacks integrity. Who argues a lot but then at some point decides they will not argue, for some non-virtuous reason, for a reason they can't argue for or stand for with their own values, for a reason they can't stand for if they were honest and transparent to themselves, not trying to hide from things and ultimately themselves. When you say "so very few people are truly openminded, it's such a rare skill, it's a gift", is the first word that comes to your mind "error"? No, you absolutely treat it as a virtue. If you didn't treat it as a virtue, you would not value it. If there is a non-virtuous behavior, you would more readily describe it with a fitting word. If you run into somebody who constantly makes errors or contradicts themselves, you wouldn't say "this guy is very openminded", you would say "this guy is very full of crap". Write down a list of five openminded people you can think of on the top of your head and then point out who is dullminded and wishy-washy.

It must also be said that there is such a thing as errors that can be called out. Openmindedness does not mean everything goes. You can contradict yourself and somebody can call you out on it, but does that make them closeminded? "They're closedminded to errors". Well, if openmindedness means embracing errors and accepting dullmindedness and being generally wishy-washy about distinctions, then openmindedness is no longer a virtue. It suddenly becomes not such a high thing to strive for. In fact, it might be a contradiction of the concept.

Wet noodle 🫠

Saying you value openmindedness is like saying you value truth. It doesn't say much. And often, people substitute it for being a softie who doesn't stand up to a counterargument or who is afraid to say what they feel or who doesn't have a opinion or a well-formed one.

Be honest with what you think is reasonable and engage fully with whatever is presented to you. Then you can present whatever view that you've been exposed to and argue in their favor, and you will also discover which view you think is more reasonable relative to which metric (and which metrics you find most appealing).

I smoked every single day, multiple times a day, for up to many months at a time. I have probably spent more money on weed than you have on cigarettes. I had just joined a cult that had slowly turned anti-drugs, I felt it was impeding my meditation practice, and my mom was kicking me out if I didn't stop. All in all, if it really matters that you quit, for you and for other people, for the things that you care about and also for your very survival, then quitting becomes easier (meditation in itself also helps, because nothing beats how it makes you aware of your thoughts and spontaneous impulses). But some people manage to quit by just quitting. They just say "fuck it" and get on with their lives. It doesn't have to be a life-changing event.

I was addicted to weed before. That is what makes me sensitive and react to rationalizations of addiction.

Is dying of an overdose worth it if you have a heroin addiction?