Carl-Richard

Eschatology goes right under the intersubjective quadrant.

I use my phone

If the meditative state is completely dissociated from any underlying psychic structures, then personality type and psychological development doesn't matter either.

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I'm saying if your parents were say meth users, that certainly has an impact on your ability to love today. Things like having experienced love and warmth during the critical period of psychosocial development, to be privileged enough to reach beyond your immediate survival needs and learn about meditation and achieve peak states.

I can only do it on my computer. In YouTube, right-click on the video itself while watching it and select "copy link at current time" or something like that.

I'm sorry I really don't understand ?

Please elaborate.

Trauma associated with upbringing, family situation, interpersonal relationships, socioeconomic status, culture, health problems etc.

I always say this, but I was in the same music class as her in high school, one grade below Literal angel. Many teary moments.

Recently re-visiting Dream Theater. The purely instrumental middle section of The Count of Tuscany always gets me teary-eyed (I'm all for the instrumentals and aesthetics, I rarely ever listen to lyrics): (starts at 10:57, but 10:17 for context). This one is similar:

True, we've established that much.

Define overreliance and point to it in me. I must have contracted Alzheimer's.

Ok, then let me just not concede to your framework at all then: you have a blockage against acknowledging the empirical facts.

@thisintegrated This is what is going on here: you have a blockage against acknowledging the empirical facts because it would supposedly force you to engage in Te, which would undermine your framework two-fold (because you would to have to both concede the argument because I'm right AND demonstrate in real time how flimsy the framework is). Instead you've resorted to going silent or posting vague snarky responses like "hehe, Te!", which is a double bind tactic: if I go silent, I lose; If I keep going, I lose. It's also covert frame control, which is usually what Tier 1 people do when they feel threatened (hmm...). Tier 2 always acknowledge the frame, because they're context/construct aware and above such petty games. Anyways, I said I would stop giving the same critiques over and over again, and now you know more why.

Yeah, apparently they just go silent

This is the selection bias I'm talking about. You're making it seem like I only use Te because I like to use empiricism to criticize MBTI, a topic where speculation around cognitive functions are the most likely to come up in the first place. What about my 6500 other posts in other threads? Besides, according to thisintegrated himself, caring about Te is not indicative of a Te type, because apparently ENTP uses it all the time.

Outside the MBTI cult, it's called reading ? That said, stage models like SD and all the others work pretty good if you're white.

I just started thinking back to the last day of school when I was 15 where I felt that one of my teachers saw this extremely shy kid that I was, and identified with me, as he was just like me at some point. I've thought about this moment many times, but today I managed to see it from a new perspective, through his very own eyes. I was literally being him in that moment, looking at me, and experiencing what he was thinking and feeling about me. It was very emotional. I wonder if anybody has had anything similar, a very profound experience of empathy, either as it was happening, or retrospectively.

Based on a naive 1st person "I apply the model, it works" conception of verification, then sure... I'm talking about statistically rigorous empirical evidence. Jean Piaget's stage theory, the cognitive backbone of SD (basically 1-to-1 correlation with beige to orange), has been shown to not work in intercultural studies. Piaget carried out virtually all his studies in Geneva, Switzerland without controlling for cultural background, just like Clare Graves carried out most of his studies in America on majority white college students.

I feel that knowing the limits of various scientific models doesn't threaten my worldview. I don't know about you

I like to define spiritual growth as the gradual unwinding of the cyclical patterns of your being, which translates to distancing yourself from your physicality (and the associated mentality as well), as the physical is fundamentally based on cyclical movements, oscillations, vibrations, 1s and 0s. To be driven by the physical and the cyclical is the definition of compulsive behavior; of instinctive, animalistic or unconscious tendencies. Spirituality and consciousness is about breaking out of all that and establishing meaningful and streamlined behavior, and eventually transcending it all. Now, growth as a linear concept is pointing somewhere, towards the extremes, like the states achievable during seated/immobile meditation, ecstatic/delirious trances, or ultimately mahasamadhi. All of these are considered highly "dysfunctional" when you're identified with the physical, but they're also in a sense the peak of spirituality, which again goes beyond the physical. What you're looking for is more along the lines of the concession of the Bodhisattva, who chooses to return to the illusion and take on the burden of a physical existence in order to awaken the world. That requires a kind of balance which lets you keep one foot in both worlds, which can be immensely functional.

Looking at the empirical evidence (which is tainted by WEIRD bias; "Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic"), SD has doubtful intercultural validity, certainly not cross-cultural. At least it has some empirical evidence though ?, considering it lines up with world history in broad strokes and correlates with other WEIRD stage theories (Piaget, Kohlberg, Loevinger, Kegan etc.). However, it's practically impossible to create a perfectly universal theory of human development (independent of contextual factors, i.e. culture, socioeconomics etc.) that isn't almost only descriptive (like Sameroff's transactional theory). Predictive models have to be specific on some level, and specificity is a trade-off for generalizability.

Haha I guess so. That is my hometown ? If you're ever there, you should try walking the mountain in the top-right corner (Ulriken) or the one in the center of the picture (Fløien).