Carl-Richard

I don't understand why you don't want to clarify or simplify even once. When I write something, I want people to understand me first and foremost, and I feel it's on me if something is unclear. I also think that your first comment was rather strange, because it didn't mention any of the arguments in the discussion, but instead it was just a general character profile of mainly Mr.Girl.

What was great about it?

@Tahuti Did you watch the video? Do you have any of your own thoughts on it?

Trying to rid yourself from its grasp.

I think your obsession with dictionaries is way beyond the point of the original discussion, which is about whether it's reasonable to sacrifice basic aspects of clear communication to potentially help you win over the other side, or whether that sacrifice is in fact detrimental to that mission.

I was asking for a clarification, not an insult. But sure, who knows? Maybe I won't understand that either, but what we do know is that you once wrote a long topic talking about how you struggle explaining yourself.

Oh yeah, I'm just generally a fucking dumbass. Of course

Yeah, and copy-paste another encyclopedia page while you're at it.

@Scholar I don't understand what you're saying.

I mean that he doesn't want to call him a nazi even if he fits his definition, but he calls him a fascist, a racist and an anti-Semite.

I can do it fine without a dictionary.

Depends on your definition.

There is no conversation without defining words.

Destiny has made a decision to create a double-standard for how he treats one word (nazi) in order to be able to convert Fuentes' audience, and Mr. Girl is pointing out how this double-standard might actually be making that mission harder. So they actually have the same goal in mind, just the means are different.

Thinking of fruits and berries as sources of sugar is a bit reductionist. For example, the fiber content has a big impact on how the sugar is processed, making it more akin to a slow carbohydrate. Eating a kiwi with the skin on feels almost like a complete meal in itself.

There is no absolute definition. It's always a mix between the three things.

Even if we go by the naive feeling that everybody has in their mind about a word, I bet that if you were to explain to any person on the street what Nick believes, the first thing that pops up in their mind will be "ah, nazi", not "neo-nazi" or "anti-Semitic fascist". You never rely 100% on a dictionary definition. It's always a mix between that naive feeling, things you've learned, and dictionary definitions.

Not if you let them respond afterwards. That is just a guess he is making. He doesn't actually know that. For all he knows, he might be radicalizing more people than he is de-radicalizing, which means that his strategy is failing. Mr. Girl just wants him to be more careful and warns that this might be happening. The dictionary definition says it's "a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party". However, when you call a young American who is alive today a nazi, the implication is that they hold the same beliefs as those people (because they're not 90 years old or a German national). It's like the word "democrat" in the US. If somebody is not a politician and calls themselves a democrat, the implication is that they at least hold some of the same beliefs as the Democratic Party. And exactly what those beliefs are needs to be specified, and again, you do that by defining it in conversation. Could Fuentes fit the criteria necessary for such a definition of nazi? By Destiny's own hyper-restrictive definition, he admits "just barely not", and in my opinion, the reason for that is way too trivial (which Vegan Gains said the best: "only a chance he might be genocidal towards Jews?... ").

In the video, Mr. Girl was confronting Destiny about his decision to strategically avoid labeling Fuentes with a reasonable definition of nazi, not a brain dead one. That is what we're discussing here.

More proof that defining words in conversation is useful.

The real source of my misunderstanding is that I don't understand why you would bring up that in this discussion. We were talking about defining words in a reasonable way (adding nuance and making it more specific), not in the leftist Twitter brain dead way (generalizing it into obscurity).

Thank you for defining the word and demonstrating why we define words in conversation. There is no way around it.

...bro, that doesn't mean anything. How should I use "communist"?

But we do it all the time. It's a necessary part of communication. Communication is messy. It shouldn't matter if you have to take a moment to define a word. What does matter is that you're being internally consistent with how you generally use words, because you shouldn't create unnecessary mess. Unnecessary mess is what Fuentes capitalizes on and what Destiny is participating in because he thinks it's strategically important.