Carl-Richard

Oneness has nothing to do with perception, sounds, colors, shapes, objects, patterns, sensations, feelings.

Goatsee

@Joshe Take the eye test 👀

Post videos like this, just absolute low brow factually (and ethically) dubious slop from someone with "Dr" in front of their name:

Rillies trolled you with subtle sarcasm, not compatible for certain neurodivergents. I didn't ask you to stop making posts. I asked you to stop making threads that fill up the sub-forum (for now). I usually challenge insistence on one frame when others work seemingly just as well. You gotta mask up and power through for this one.

The neurotypical-neurodivergence framework could be described as a psychiatric take on Self-Determination Theory: do what you want, act in accordance with your capacities, seek out environments that support you in this.

Now this is neurodivergence. I do not understand brotha 🫡

If I can offer my semi-educated opinion as a long-time member of this forum and actually having studied these things in school, I would say maybe 20-25% of the forum is autistic (in the "noticeable enough to label" sense; it's still a spectrum, it's still only my subjective assessment). Neurodivergence is of course a different story, but again, I don't really find it as a deeply groundbreaking concept. I remember in class one student explaining his choice of topic for a project and he quite invariantly used the word "narratives", and then the professor (German, from abroad, aware of how language works) was like "you know 'narratives' is just another word for 'stories', right?". And he was like "yeah" and then continued using the word. I feel so many apparent disagreements can be solved by simply acknowledging the concepts behind the words. Neurodivergence-neurotypical -> difference-sameness (of mind-body). Masking -> aligning with an externally enforced standard, conforming, following expectations, rules, conventions, norms. Burnout -> stress, lack of coping, lack of resilience, lack of fittedness to the environment, lack of competence, capacity, motivation, will, knowledge, strategy, structure, follow-through.

I suggest to not make any more new threads on the topic for a while. Please keep your new ideas to existing thread(s).

Locked for low quality.

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As with anything.

@r0ckyreed Why go to a restaurant at all?

Maybe everybody is autistic indeed if nobody wants to take the test 😝 It's only 2-3 minutes usually.

Pepsi, pizza, and some alcohol.

It's good that you've used the neurotypical-neurodivergent terminology to find out whether you're acting in line with what you really want. That has been my main occupation my entire life. My internal feeling for what I want, is a 190 decibel siren. I'm the idealist. It might benefit other people, so do what you think is best.

This is a better autism test: do you write a blog about emojis?: https://blog.emojipedia.org/ Yes No Yes, you have autism. (I'm not making fun of the guys, I love autism).

I thought you were more schizo than autistic :,( Autistics seem to use rules for determining emotional expression, non-autistics seem to use vibes. Vibes seem to be more efficient and more accurate when you only have the eyes to go by (the test is apparently time sensitive; I did not know that the first time I took the test).

I'm making fun of the term "nootropic" in this thread, not your choice to use a chemical. All power to you.

Anybody want to take this test? It's supposed to diagnose autism: https://embrace-autism.com/reading-the-mind-in-the-eyes-test/ I remember I scored 34/36 the first time I took it (higher score indicates less autism). So that would mean I'm supremely not-autistic. But you could say I'm neurodivergent, because it's way outside the normal range (the range in a sample of n = 19 neurotypicals was 23-30).

😂 "The" nootropic.

It can be an app on your phone; your phone already can record sound, it can record the screen on your phone, the app can gather your general online footprint, etc. And of course various accessories like heart rate monitors (like smartwatches), vision trackers and smartglasses (cameras), brain measurement helmets if you want to be very geeked out. But yes, just any form of measurement, sent to an app that gives in-depth and structured AI insights. Think of it like a live, extremely comprehensively behavioral study, where tons of variables can be correlated across various time points. There are already limited versions of this for various purposes, but I'm talking about a generalized, powerful and obviously useful one, the same logic behind the smartphone itself. I got this idea from working with an app called ExpiWell which is used in behavioral research for gathering data on the mobile phones of research participants in their daily lives (and from developing a website for using AI to analyze personality using various online and offline data sources). It's those two ideas combined and taken to their logical conclusion when increasing power: more data, more data types, more types of insights, more utility.

@Cred @Joshe What should a ND person do? What they want to do? Ok. What if they want to listen to Leo Gura? What if they feel it resonates? Then you come with your "neurodivergent-neurotypical" framework and try to thread it over their head, just like a good neurotypical would with their externally derived social standards. To truly honor the individual means to honor the individual, not necessarily put them in a box (although they can put themselves in that box if they want to, but then remember that it's just a box and that they are an individual). I'm not just throwing out a "it's more complicated than that, labels are just labels" as a platitude. It has real implications for how you act. Take someone like myself. I've jokingly referred to myself as "neurodivergent" (in my own mind) because I am a bit "out there" in some ways but I can also go well with people, I can play with external social standards. And I can look back and remember specific changes I made or insights I had about how socialization works in an "intellectual way", that made me alter my behavior outside what was merely spontaneous and impulsive. But that's about growing up, about seeing yourself from a different perspective, of putting attention outside yourself, of developing self-awareness, of not just merely acting on your impulses but what you think is "right" morally, ethically. Criminals, psychopaths, children, act in a more unrestrained way, they have less cognitive control. They can be less insightful, empathic, caring, more self-focused. Growing up tends to make you more attuned to others, and you will also have the cognitive faculties to use your intellectual mind to assist in this. There is nothing necessarily "special" about this. Yes, some have an intense tendency towards intellectualization, systematization, it's the way they interact with the world primarily, they have less intuitive cognitive functions, less ability to just tune in and vibe. Then address that in the way you see fit: pick the activities you enjoy, or try to grow your weaknesses, it's up to you how much of either you want to do. I think Leo Gura is quite aware of his "neuro-non-typicalness". He says it all the time: "I suck at working with other people, I'm not a team player" is a recent quote (paraphrasing). He says constantly "nobody cares about truth, they only care about what is socially expedient" (paraphrashing again). He also likes to hammer in the point on "it's genetic", which is a direct nod to the neurodivergent "it's ingrained" philosophy (I believe there will be a video on that soon; the role of genetics). Could he be more accommodating to the fact that people are different and that they should go by what is suitable for them? I mean, really? His main "product" is his life purpose course which is about finding out "your" life purpose, not what somebody else has told you is good or valuable. What you think. Maybe for some people they don't have to even think about what their life purpose should be because it's so obvious what is valueable for them. But some don't, and they can still feel like piranhas in the normal world. Maybe the particular culture around "neurodivergent-neurotypical" terminology has valueable insights, maybe you can share those here. But it's a hard sell that you are bringing something essentially new; maybe a different way of putting things and maybe some original insights here and there, but nothing categorically groundbreaking.

Can ChatGPT go fuck itself? Thank you.

ND and NT are just funny words for being different or similar to other people, which applies to everybody and in different ways. It's a spectrum. Masking is what everybody does, it's essentially about aligning yourself with an outside social standard. Some are just worse at picking up the required standards, some just feel like they have to mask more or are just less comfortable with it than others. They will maybe identify with a label like ND or autistic. But it can be a trap to identify yourself too much with such labels or use them to think you somehow are not fit or don't belong in society.