UDT

There is no Ego to be dissolved in the first place. Its the snake on the road which turns out to be a stick. Just look, can you find the location of your ego? is it constant? no? Well than its not you.

Yes I feel you in that sense. It might be that the experience of highly altered consciousness (as with e.g. 5MEO) gives you experiences which then answer some questions better than language can. Taking Leo´s "Awareness is precisely NOT the thing being awared." Of course, the question is, how is it possible to know that consciousness is infinite and not finite. Answer: The "I" which is asking this question, can never grasp infinity as it itself is a finite body-mind. If nothing is there to be awared, Its just nothingness (which might be awareable in different stages of consciousness). Even darkness or objectlessness is something, thus not nothing.

Yes indeed. The problem is that Leo and non duality teachers like Rupert Spira claim to know the infinity of their awareness. I can realize awareness being aware of itself but couldnt see a way to say if the present is only what is and it will be there infinitely or if Im a finite awareness localized within my organism somehow which believes being infinite awareness. When sleeping, there cant be an enlightenment experience to what I know. Thus, this awareness is not constant. Awareness beiing aware of nothing is nothing. but how can nothingness be me then?

@Telepresent I agree. Taking it futher, if awareness can´t exist without isolation, its not infinite.

How can you separate from the observer as he/she/it can´t be localized? Dys-identification with senses and your inner voice seems more attainable.

yes, very true..

If you could dis-identify, why would it be an issue any longer? I think it goes two ways from here. Master awareness and dis-identification (as you mentioned). Or alternatively, master your perception.

lmao exactly

My friend remember you are not surviving or dying. It doesnt matter. Recognize what those feelings are, there are not you, there are part of what the perceiver experiences. Ask why.

Its hard for me to type because Im always wondering why "I" is asking the perception questions. "I" was at the "I cant be the voice saying I am me!"- Phase already but then getting that 1) I have to be constant and 2) the perceiver cant be localized is what lets no other choice as to look at the only thing left. Then its really clear for a moment but focus is needed to hold onto the realization

So I experienced/got it ("enlightenment") (note that I is horrible incorrect but how can I else speak?). It was free movement - yoga - walking meditation - contemplation - neti neti method - bam. Two thoughts arose which would be great to discuss. Those are 1) As life from the "I" perspective is quite difficult, working on permanent awareness of nothing is the only work which can bring peace? 1.1) Can only this focus dissolve this endless illusion? 2) Who am I asking? Who is this "I" asking ? 3) So noone has done nothing ever..!? 4) Why are there teachers and books etc. about that? "Everyone" who gets enlightend knows that there is actually no one to teach. In teaching they´d succumb to their "I" perception and its desires of whatever sort. So people who live within society and are enlightened try to make this dream as nice as possible for "them"? As there is nothing like "a person", "my" enlightenment is the only real one but another person will say:" no my enlightenment is the only real one", why would he say that? Why would the experience talk to the "I" perception to have an interaction between them? 5) What´s the reason for this thing called "perception, experience, nothingness perceiving the perceiver/ being the perceiver- status)? 6) I am Confused/Shocked/Freed and I feel like someone who was forced to watch 10 years of television straight without blinking.

I purely believe that living up to your true nature is what self actualizes your entire perception and experience of reality. You become unbelievably conscious. Thus I´d would challenge you to live up to your desires and not restrain but use all your energy to go where you wanna go, doesnt matter where that is.

easy, quit the guy and hit the gym.

The following scenario: A new analyst started working at our office three months ago. He´s a young guy, excellent records and work ethic. However, he is more and more frequently bullied by colleagues, basically put down to the bottom of the dominance hierarchy. Recently I had a talk with him in which it came out that he had a pretty rough childhood which, I believe, leads to his need for harmony. He is emotionally hurt by comments at him but fails to respond appropriately (e.g witty). Since he does great work I think its a shame what happens but I have to do my role as objectively as possible thus cant babysit him. Now: Is there literature, youtube material, or do you have personal experience with mentoring a person to become more socially competent/ dealing with those hierarchy games, establishing respect and understanding how social dynamics function? I think If hes shown the right way, he will learn to deal with it. I was thinking about doing some sort of simulations and give him some literature to read. Ideally I´d do 5-10 sessions (in a life coach/ psycholgists manner) with him in which he gets the basics and can already start applying it in real scenarios. Thank you for your time. UDT

You are everything. Everything is you. See the flaws of others within you. Love them because they cannot be in any other way. Stop differentiating yourself from the rest of existence. Your ego is the problem. Dissatisfaction occurs when you have a gap between perceived and expected reality. The truth however is that there is only one unchangeable reality. Be at peace with it.

wow it thats a very interesting point, thank you for sharing.

Hey IIya I think thats a very interesting and actually quite deep question. When this question is asked, people mostly start talking about balancing pleasure with work // low with high consciousness action. I believe this "balancing" approach is quite a trap. Let´s observe the junk food example: Take a healthy vegan body builder guy: He will avoid junk food like the plague, rant about its envrionmental and health effects and shame everyone who goes in a fast food store. Why? --> He feels best about eating healty and looking good. He would never sacrifice years of training for junk food because the perceived pleasure of looking at himself in the mirror, walking with more proud and confidence is more worth than what the food can offer. Maybe he was skinny when younger and bullied because of it. Maybe his dad died because of obesity. Take a normal ordinary guy: He likes junk food but also knows it is quite unhealthy. Occasionally, he will go to a restaurant and eat the food because he lives after the motto that everything is ok if you balance it out. This is his justifcation to give in to his need of eating junk (not saying any action is good or bad). Why? Because the pleasure of eating junkfood is higher than the pleasure of perceiving himself as a healthy person. Now force him to eat junk food for a week straight. He will feel start feeling bad about his diet. Why? The unpleasent feeling of knowingly harming his health is now stronger than the pleasure gained from the food. Take a everyday obese junkfood guy: He has a quite rough life, maybe a bad childhood. Maybe he has very bad memories from those times while a few of the good ones where when he celebrated his birthday at Mcdonalds when he was younger. Because his brain connects the feeling of being cared and being loved with the McD place and the food, he will gain loads of pleasure from it. Therefore pushing back the unpleasentness of his unhealthy habit. Of course he knows that the food is not good for him in the long term but it doesnt stop him. You see, three different approaches to eating habits yet all live according to pleasure maximization. Society has formed deep opinions on which habits and actions are considered good and healthy and which are not accepted. You have done the same as your character developed and develops. My suggestion to your question would be: Write down what you consider as pleasure (good and bad ones). Now ask yourself "why is this a good/bad pleasure for me"? Write down your answer ("Because it is wasted time to watch three hours of Netflix"). Then repeat asking why again. "Because I could do more useful things with my time". Why?. "Because productiveness is more important than pleasure". Why? "(...). Why? (...). Dig as deep as you can. You might find that at the end one just sacrifices short term for long term pleasure. Thank you the great question!

This post is about Leos video "How To Create Your Dream Career - The Ultimate Life Purpose Course" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtUxnmneK50), More presicely minute 1:00 until ~ minute 10:00. Subsequently Im paraphasing it roughly If you dont have time to watch the video but I recommend watching it. In it, Leo is describing the life of a women. Being naturally talented in arts and crafts, life happened, she got a regular job and moved to the U.S. Her life started to slide away, taking a backseat to her husband and in the next decades she became more and more a victim, stopping working on her career becoming a normal mom, not developing herself and pursuing her passion. Over time the marriage toxified, her self esteem eroded more and more. Finally, the marriage broke apart. Now she had to find a job again. She found the only job she could given her situation. She works her ass off at this job, but you do not get much freedom or respect in those jobs. This life cages you. Now she lives in regret. Working in this job she gets more and more bitter...frustrated. Bitter that she is not getting paid for what she is worth. Frustrated that is doing pointless labour week in week out. All this just infects all aspects of her life. No break out possible because she doesnt has the psychological tools to understand how her own mind is trapping her and locking her up in a cage. She is giving up on her dreams, not using her abilities she has, not being able to follow her passion. She really doesnt have much of a life. Leo is describing the life of his mom. Witnessing this situation as the son is so toxic. You want to help in every way possible but feel so helpless. You try to empower her with ideas about change and personal development but she doesnt really take this serious. You try to bandage every possible think but have to surrender to the fact that you are only an external factor and that true self development has to come from within. I can´t even describe how this unbelievable painful, dark, soul draining, sadness inside your deepest core feels like. I know because he is describing my mom too. In the comment section of the video you can read of people writing that they are in similar situations. My question to those who are in this kind of setup is, how are you dealing with it? How are you trying to solve it, fix it, be happy with it, change it, let go? My question to @Leo Gura is the same. Addtitonally I´m wondering if you feel like this was one of the main drivers that motivated you starting with self development. Because you thought you can help her with money and make her happy with this (if its enough maybe she doesnt have to work anymore and can be happy?) or because you had this nagging fear that you could do the same "mistakes" she did and you saw how devastating the results were. I have been contemplating years on this issue. Since I couldnt really change the situation the other remaining options I established were either A) Become so monetary successfull that you can buy her a materialistic rich life and hope that trough that she can become happy before she dies and B) Accept and live with it, or accept and distance yourself. I feel like A) is very ambigious and if it will happen it might take to long (my mom is in her mid 50s). B) on the other hand for me is not really possible. I am currently living in the U.S while she is in Europe and I try to be the best version of myself in every interaction with her but still feel really sad afterwards. Its not that she is constantly complaining and crying but I can see it, I know how she spends her days. I heard people saying things like "Its not your fault" "Its not your responsibility" etc. This is not an answer I can accept. Thank you for reading this, Im seriously stuck her and thankful about help. UDT (sorry for the monkeymind title)

@Joseph Maynor Last year a buddhist in Vietnam told be roughly this after I asked the question about non-duality. We have Unity, Duality and Trinity. Now lets just imagine that everything consist of little tiny god particles which are all identical. So everything, at its core, consists of the same particles, that is unity. Now some particles form different structures which are now perceivable by you. How do you name things? You say, X is harder than Y, A is darker than B, 1 smells other than 2. You have a spectrum, e.g from softest to hardest, from darkest to lightest, that is Duality. Now you perceive those objects (X,Y,A,B,1,2) in some area on the spectrum. All their characteristics are in some area of the spectrum formed by your senses. That is trinity, a point between two extremes.

nothing, no conscious action matters as it is only the action of the ego.

Thank you, wise words!

Thoughts to this So youre either happy or youre not. If you set a life purpose which achieving makes your happy, your distracting yourself from the real intrinsic question on if you’re happy or not. You’re saying “ I have to achieve XY in order to become fulfilled later”. You’re postponing the question if you are happy to a later state in which you have achieved XY. If that state than occurs it will make you happy. Until the high of achievement fades away leaving you with either 1) being in question if you are happy or 2) finding a new mode of distraction, a new goal in life which distracts you’re from the real question again. Studies have shown that “happiness” is not increasing after reaching a certain amount of spending power. I think it helps seeing happiness as a state rather than a thing which is achievable. To the core you can chose for yourself to be happy at any moment or not. It’s a purely intrinsic decision. Saying your happy because you have some certain thing is an illusion. Then you’re happiness is based on the approval of society btw the being in conformity with societies’ perception of what makes happy (nice car, house and kids, good looking wife, good job etc.) Certainly those things can be fulfilling and are fulfilling. But do you know? You don’t. It’s merely the perception of what those things will make you feel which triggers your perception of happiness. I’m talking about perceptions here because happiness is a merely subjective feeling. It means different things for each of us. When we are talking about happiness we are in fact not talking about the same thing. It’s more a category of positive feelings we say are “happiness” so in language we agree on this to make communication easier. Sadly we do not have a more precise form of communication. So you can either chase what in society is commonly accepted as making you happy or you can try to not let those desires distract you from the inner state of mind which is the real “happiness”. Acknowledging that happiness is within you is scary. Now there is no more delay. No more “ I will be happy later so don’t worry” If you are not happy right now, something can be changed immediately to fix it, something is wrong right now. The fix is internal not external. The fix might be to kill your ego.

Some quick points to the recent posts, 1) Everyone who never took 5meo in his life is out of the debate and should shut up 2) Dont take everything Leo Gura says so serious. Be careful, your inner monkey gets turned on by the status of the administrator of this place. Ironic to see that in a high consciousness forum @JustinS Thanks for the input its indeed an interesting idea, I feel you have a pretty open minded mother. How did you approach that topic to her for the first time? @Leo Gura I don´t consider myself to be part of the 0.001% neither I want her to be there. My goal is not to guide her to enlightenment but rather bring her ego in a better state by fullfilling what her life should be according to her neurosises. I know that it doesnt matter in the picture of non duality but it matters for her perception, that´s what makes it matter for me. I´m aware that familiy is chimpery but I feel that fixing that will benefit me on freeing mind and time "traveling" on dao.

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Curious if here are colleagues, Im working as a investment banker (structuring, mostly risk management)