Alexop

Yes! We need good men instead of those morons.

@Elliott man, as I said. They are women and see the world from the female perspective. They did a good job with women. I love Green women, a few of them exaggerate with their woke shit but generally they are okay. They overstretch themselves into too much political shit, that would be the problem. But I mostly blame men for mens problems. This redpill movement that strictly blame feminism for all their problems is a cheap skapegoat. We need men to create some sort of menism that will fix men. Give me some boys and a few years with them and I will make them men. I know how to build men because I went through the process. If there is someone who knows how to build men, it is a man who went through the process himself.

More or less yes. It would be ok to just be "pussies", I mean to be like healthy women. Feminine but emotionally developed and nice, fun. No, they often become disgusting, immature, lazy, boring as fuck, and even aggressive. Because immaturity spirals into aggression. Those soy-dads who look like they would not hurt a fly become aggressive when pushed to their limits due to constant complaints (very often legit) from their women. By the way this was true even before all this feminism wave. We had such disgusting men even 200 years ago. My argument is that feminism does not help this, it only fixes women. We need some sort of menism that will fix men. I think we lost the art of building men when we developed sedentary civilizations. With the raise of Stage Red and patriarchal structures, men started to drift away from their inner wisdom and balance.

There are women who like to work in a traditional masculine position. Doesn't matter what they work, they just need to understand how biology works. Their epistemology and ontology in regards to human development, history, biology is shit.

They treat them the same as they treat women, because they see the feminine perspective as better. By treating them like women they cannot develop, because they don't really develop like women. They basically treat everyone the same, in a feminine way, because masculinity is evil. that is the ideology. Men need much more rigor, structure , challenge, accountability, peer pressure, brotherhood, purpose. Purpose because they will need to endure suffering, they won't do that if they don't have a good cause. They tear down the old system without replacing it with a new, better one. I think this was said before on this tread if I remember right. I get that the old system is dysfunctional, but if you don't understand how this works, better stay away. They are basically playing with fire thinking it is not a big deal. Like a cocky diy-er that kills himself by trying to fix his electrical system in the house. The problem is that is this case we are talking about, they are hurting everyone.

Depends on the context.. generally men like to lead, take initiative, protect, endure hardships for their family. Women like to dance in their feminine side, nurture, send love to the world. But women can't do that if they dont feel safe and their needs are not met. When they don't thrive and nobody helps them, then they need to help themselves by living from their masculine energy. a thing that they don't really want to do long term. These women who say they didn't need mens help are eating shit. They always will get help from men, through the welfare state, police, army. And they don't understand themselves and their needs, they just torture themselves by behaving like men in order to prove to the world that they can do whan men do. Lolz What is a sour lady? What is a Karen? It is a woman that was not loved and taken care of. A woman that had to fend for herself and live from her masculine. That filled her with frustrations and venom.

It is not what they tell them to do it is what they don't tell them. They don't explain to them what a man and a woman means in our society, because they themselves don't know. Womanhood is a behaviour, it is a vibe, it is not about makeup and dressing and pink colour. That is bullshit. It is the behaviour that we have to understand. What are the evolutionary implications that shaped our biology. they don't create a system that preapres men to be men, they don't believe in the thing that you have to BECOME a man. you are not born a man, and you won't become a man just by growing a beard or whatever shit. They deconstruct all the social constructions without building back consciously. It is like me tearing down my house then freezing in the cold. Maybe these concepts that functioned more or less for such a long time have a base of truth in them. But yeah, that is the leftist paradigm, tear down everything old. Men evolve differently, men need to be forged like a sword otherwise they collapse. and this is what we see now in society. Men collapsing because economical and societal progress has taken away the natural pressure that men had to endure. If we understood how our biology works we would have built a system that replaces the natural "men forger". We would have created a system that challenges their lack of accountability, laziness, immaturity. We would have created a system of values that give them meaning and a purpose to sacrifice for. Instead of curing society from the toxic masculinity created by Stage Red and Orange, we just reject masculinity completely. We just study and believe what "feels" right. After studying this topic and the nutrition topic, I feel like the scientific community is a joke. It is so corrupt and full of shit that I'd rather do my own experiments and studies. We have gender dysphoria cliniques in Sweden, just wonder how the fuck can they help people choose the right gender without understanding masculinity and femininity. Clown show.

@Elliott I talked to many leftists of any possible flavour. They don't understand masculinity. If you corner them they try to escape with: "yea, of course there are some differences in preferences and that". But in reality, they way they raise their kids, the way they design the systems, they don't take the differences into consideration. Because, of course, they don't understand the differences. This topic is so complex it took me years to understand, I cannot explain it to you in a comment. The best summary would be as Teal Swan says: "men (masculine people) are the shell and women (feminine people) are the pearls." Women need the protection of a masculine person or a system (welfare state, police) in order to be girly, which is what they love to do. They need to feel safe in order to offer love. Women are designed by nature to love, they are love machines. Men are designed by nature to protect, they are "war" machines. Women are designed to create and take care of life. Men are designed to stop threats, to end life. When toxic masculine people try to rape your wife, healthy masculine people will try to stop them.

They oppose masculinity because they do not understand it. As you said, they say something similar, it is about fighing and shit. That is a very myopic and incomplete way of seeing masculinity. Masculinity is about protection, leadership, initiative, challening corrupt systems and entities. Women want masculinity, they dont want toxic masculinity. Many femininsts think only toxic masculinity exists, which is wrong obviously. Our nature is that we are different, we can argue to the moon and back if we want, but the truth is that we are and want to be different. And saying men and women are somewhat the same is some of the most annoying shit I ever heard. This shit creates a ton of problems and sexism nowadays. Want even more misogyny and sexism in society? Want even more lost and underdeveloped men in society? Just continue saying that nonsense.

Lolz. I am out.

It is partly true that there are many subcultures where feminine perspective starts to shadow the masculine one. If you are masculine you are seen as a problem. Mothers who strip thier boys of any masculine tendency, then they grow up some gullible losers who will just be a shadow of their partners. This toxicity I am talking about. Just as patriarchy made a shadow of the feminine perspective, the upcoming matriarchy creates a shadow of the masculine. That until we fuck it up completely and we invent a better way of living, maybe one that is less ideological and more logical. It is partly the economy and social media who is powering these problems but also woke ideology. Women raise their standards because they can, but do they have a plan for men? Men are going down, you cannot just abandon halv of society, they will be radicalized and vote like radical people if you dont't fix them.

You either met very mature people or you are a yes man. A masculine man has to treat these people like children. If he would be 100% honest, he will be out. Not that I agree with the Title of this thread but saying nothing is wrong with the woke movement means you life in another reality. Look to that guy`s comment about dancing. One mus lead, one must follow, now that is a good argument.

there are plenty of beautiful simple girls. She does not have to be perfect, she has to be decent. This 1-10 scale is dehumanizing. Women are humans not numbers.

lol

@Miguel1 no mature woman would date that clown.

Their mental gymnastics are amazing. How they turn the Christian teachings upside down in order to justify their neo-liberal, elitist, individualist worldview.

@Ulax lost/emotionally and socially underdeveloped then. It is not their fault, they are a product of our broken society. But this should not be an excuse to give up and play games all day. We have to expect stuff from men, the same way tribes did. Will you pass our rite of passage? We will call you a man if you do it. But yea I digress into the gender topic.

The only good thing with him is that he inspires young men to step it up. It is a crucial thing that most guys need right now. To start taking responsability for their lives, especially in regards to emotional maturity not just career and money. It is absolutely shocking when I go to an event or smth and see 20-25 men who are behaving like lost boys. Are we amazed that women lose interest in men? I would too after 50 such weirdos come and creep me up.

If it is like you say so then your brother is a happy case. Because most long time marriages are shit. A happy marriage requires heavy self-development work done by both sides. Especially now with all this gender-blind madness going on. And many who claim they are "happy" together can be because ignorance is bliss. It can be that neither of them went deep enough so they just work well together at a superficial, utilitarian level. In regards to finding a woman, shit situation too. High quality women are rare (of course, because high quality people are rare), most of them 30 years old plus. They won't be found in night clubs and approaching them on the street req enormous patience. Maybe after a few years of roaming the streets and approaching you'll find "the one". My best bets are: Stage Green festivals, dancing communities like Lindy Hop and West Coast Swing, and talking to girls at the climbing gym. You need to go where the Green girls are. BTW I am not defending that Owen weirdo, I never liked the guy. Orange autistic garbage, sorry OP.

Yea, the leveling in WoW is kind of boring, never amazed me. Very themepark. The only thing that caught me was endgame pvp. Which was something else. Imagine counter-strike but with spells, abilities, symbiotic teamwork, team strategies, strategic positioning etc. you needed months in order to master one class in arena.

@Natasha Tori Maru i only played PvP. I mean I don't care about how shit Blizzard management is or was, idk how they pulled it out but wotlk pvp was just artwork. The classes had such different abilities, strengths and weaknesses but still it was balanced. Not just that but you needed serious skill and Intelligence to be good at it. It was not like PvE, in PvP you are against other humans who can outsmart you all the time. Now of course I am not a game developer, I just picked the game that was in front of me like a pig eating what he finds in the trough. A game developer sees things that normies don't.

See? Here is your poof. But I still recommend getting a life than playing such games in your adulthood. In teenage it is understandable. For me, it helped me go over the hardest period of my life. I suffered from very severe social anxiety due to trauma from bullying. I am happy that I chose WoW over heroin or gambling, or suicide. I basically never met a person who did so much positive change in their life. A person like me should be dead by now or severely crippled mentally. But here I am, stable and strong, thanks to some crutches that helped for some time. 🙂

I see it as a sport. It is mindless shit that occupies your time and fulfills your basic needs. Socialization, appreciation for your skills, competition and winning, feeling of progress. I think such games help many not fall in deep depression, the same way as porn helps incels not run their cars over people maybe.

Of course it was like porn but you still watch porn. It was addictive as fk.

World of Warcraft WOTLK patch is one of the best games ever developed. The asymetric power balance between classes, the virtual world ecosystem... Even today there are WOTLK private servers full to the top with nostalgic players. And then, slowly, patch by patch the game went to shit.