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@AION she is smart and reasonable, you are going too far.

I lived in Romania and now in Sweden. So I experienced both masculinity bias and femininity bias

That is your interpretation of what I said. In your case you presented, there is us a straight woman who felt she has a more masculine personality. You find that sometimes but is rare. She would make a good relationship with a more neutral or feminine man.

Of course this is the case, you got me wrong. We need to learn how to build men, nowadays we basically build immature kids or toxic monsters.

Yes, it kind of is. Because we don't know how to build good men. Everywhere I see women who feel forced to take responisbility because men won`t.

Yea we sould ban men, men bad, men evil. Go home men. Kid, the only way out is through. Masculinity won't diasappear from society. If you opress it, it will manifest in toxic ways. Like we see now with mass misogyny, Andrew Tate shit, exremist politics, turbo-capitalism, tech bro podcast brainrot. Masculinity has to exist in society, it will always exist. Your matriarchy pipe dream will be a society of exhausted burned out mothers who will take care of some immature man-children who will play videogames all day. It will be peace, but a dead peace, a fake peace, your souls will rot inside wile on the outside everything looks kind of peaceful. Women will take the masculine role, this is why they will partially become men. being a man is not only about having a dick, it is about a beahviour. That behaviour has to exists in a society in order to not collapse, that behavior is natural to most men if you train them to be men. Women can do it, but stuff will just feel wrong, and it will not work long term.

lolz, you sound like d2d christian sht. I did my reasearch, and i found that almost nobody, including you, understands this topic. You dont understand what a man is, what a woman is, You just dismiss every aspect of reality that you dont like and just spit some crap to mask it. social constructions bla bla. Your position is the default leftist carebear one who learned a bit about the horrors of what men did and do. Very sad to see people like you guys, you will live a life of disappointment and confusion. The basic opressed housewife lives a happier life than you hippie naive folk. Not that I applaud the conservative way of living, there are tons of problems with that too.

@Rafael Thundercat the problem is that we don't know how to build good men, not that we need to establish matriarchy or some bullshit that will never work. Take away their masculinity and watch them collapse like a rotten wooden bridge. Matriarchy is basically forcing women become men because the society cannot trust men anymore. Women don't want to be masculine, they dot hat only if they are forced to by the environment, or brainwashed by some stupid ultra feminist ideology.

Leftists just want peace and understanding among people but the results cand be the opposite. This sameness ideology creates even more hate and misogyny in society. Men come up and say they see a 9, women come up and say it is a 6, then it degenerates into: "go and see a therapist you freak!"; "go back and live under the rock you came from you neanderthal!".

Yes. And that is what I was working on for the last 10 years. Understanding how much fear and helplessness women experience and taking care that does not happen when I am around.

Again and again Leo has to tell you guys how stuff really are about men and women and so many people don't understand. Dudes. Check some history, and stop watching leftist bullshit pseudo science and pseudo philosophy. There is NO good evidence men and women are somewhat the same, it is just a wish. Even after 40 years of brainwashing, Sweden still did not manage to make them behave the same, it fact I would say they are even more different here. 99% of human history is war and violence, and mens roles was to protect women and children from other violent men. Of course our biology split apart In this kind of brutal survival environment.

You will see one quite soon maybe, if we continue to pussify men. Women will take over, but they will take over because they will be more masculine than men. The "matriarchy" will be a takeover by women who are more masculine than men.

Yes, men would do that all day if they could.

You anti-feminist redpillers who think feminism has brainwashed women to not get into realtionships with whomever, you have to understand that ther world has changed. It has changed in a good way, even if it seems bad from your perspective. Men are not getting away with the shit they used to get away 70 years ago. Now women have the power to speak, and call out the abuse. Not just that they now hear horrific stories about male abusers all over, but now they can choose. They can choose to stay single until they find a good man. That is the natural selection at work. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fJzWYF2yR8 This is an extreme case, but many milder cases of "casual" beatings and abuse I know personally in my freind group alone. Men were shit and still most of them are shit, and that might be a reason for women staying single. Besides social media, choice anxiety, indivdualism, lack of third places, and all that you already know about.

of course.

@PenguinPablo they now have a choice, back in time there was immense social stigma to not get married as a woman. Now the poor quality of men is getting revealed. Now you really need to offer something more than sperm and money. Now they ask for emotional development, non-violence, stability, humour, cleanliness, style, class.

yes, this a big one

I think you are talking about a small minority of traumatized women. A healthy woman does not get attracted to a narcissist. To the counter, she is maybe too cautious by choosing a boring, nice guy that she dislikes, just to be sure he does not brake her heart.

@enchanted these arguments can be detrimental to many people. If you crave a relationship you should pursue it. I get that sex is brainless but a high quality relationship can be life changing. If you pursue spirituality and ignore your needs, that can lead to a broken human being, not a saint. Many spiritual people are full of shit so I doubt that pursuing spirituality full on can help you much. That is for very few gifted individuals. That is why communities paid money to monasteries so those gifted ones were doing that full time. just so when they are done with it to come to the plebs and enlighten them with knowledge.

Of course not every dude is shit, it is a generalization. It is a patern where you mainly meet uninspiring man-children or toxic macho guys. The bully at your highschool is getting girls because he has good social skills and connections. makes him be perceived as high value. And he mainly gets immature girls maybe. And partly because such machos have a vibe that women search for, that they don't find in the nice guy whimps. They basically want the masculinity and charm of a macho but without the manipulative and abusive behavior and immaturity.

Yes! We need good men instead of those morons.

@Elliott man, as I said. They are women and see the world from the female perspective. They did a good job with women. I love Green women, a few of them exaggerate with their woke shit but generally they are okay. They overstretch themselves into too much political shit, that would be the problem. But I mostly blame men for mens problems. This redpill movement that strictly blame feminism for all their problems is a cheap skapegoat. We need men to create some sort of menism that will fix men. Give me some boys and a few years with them and I will make them men. I know how to build men because I went through the process. If there is someone who knows how to build men, it is a man who went through the process himself.

More or less yes. It would be ok to just be "pussies", I mean to be like healthy women. Feminine but emotionally developed and nice, fun. No, they often become disgusting, immature, lazy, boring as fuck, and even aggressive. Because immaturity spirals into aggression. Those soy-dads who look like they would not hurt a fly become aggressive when pushed to their limits due to constant complaints (very often legit) from their women. By the way this was true even before all this feminism wave. We had such disgusting men even 200 years ago. My argument is that feminism does not help this, it only fixes women. We need some sort of menism that will fix men. I think we lost the art of building men when we developed sedentary civilizations. With the raise of Stage Red and patriarchal structures, men started to drift away from their inner wisdom and balance.

There are women who like to work in a traditional masculine position. Doesn't matter what they work, they just need to understand how biology works. Their epistemology and ontology in regards to human development, history, biology is shit.

They treat them the same as they treat women, because they see the feminine perspective as better. By treating them like women they cannot develop, because they don't really develop like women. They basically treat everyone the same, in a feminine way, because masculinity is evil. that is the ideology. Men need much more rigor, structure , challenge, accountability, peer pressure, brotherhood, purpose. Purpose because they will need to endure suffering, they won't do that if they don't have a good cause. They tear down the old system without replacing it with a new, better one. I think this was said before on this tread if I remember right. I get that the old system is dysfunctional, but if you don't understand how this works, better stay away. They are basically playing with fire thinking it is not a big deal. Like a cocky diy-er that kills himself by trying to fix his electrical system in the house. The problem is that is this case we are talking about, they are hurting everyone.