Alexop

Yes I am.

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.

For sure. Even I think I am lame.

Great talk, really enjoyed it. 🙏

Yes there has to be intelectual fodder, otherwise we don't know how to relate to each other. This right here can bring down the happiness in a nation. This is the rhetoric Swedish people get all day and look at them. Women are ok but 95% of men are wimps. This message doesn't work. Brainwashing people to believe man and woman roles are just a fuzzy thing and only the looks makes us different is one of the most dangerous intellectual mistakes we have right now in society. My ex Swedish GF told me most women just cope with their partners because they have no other alternative. Just imagine how sad this sounds, to live a life of quiet desperation. Even the feminist activist I dated was stunned to see that there is an alternative to the nice guy wimp or the macho jerk, she didn't meet someone like that before. I talk with so much courage about this subject because in the last 3 years I researched and contemplated it exclusively. And it completely changed my life. Leo's statement about treating women like children changed my life. I opposed it at first because, as I said, personal experience bias. But in a normal world this is more or less true. I would expand it also to treat most men like children until they prove you wrong. Of course, this would be an insult to children as children are spontaneous, fun and daring but you get the idea. The thing is that women being treated like children is cute, they really love it when a competent man takes care of the harsh survival tasks while she relaxes in her feminine side. Shell and pearl dynamics as Teal says.

Yeah dude sure, the basic rethoric of the "wise" guy on this forum. Someone talks with passion and courage about something and is being called selfish, egomaniac etc. Have some counter-arguments to my statements? Bring it on. Calling me whatever? I don't care. Sometimes I feel like only Leo can be taken seriously on this forum, especially on these niche, sensitive subjects. You guys take rethorics too seriously, you try to find faults in the person, not the content of their statements. But yea, this might be byproducts of the years of consciouness work and love practice you do.

good point. First you need to build your intellectual base by following expereinced teachers. But after learning the basics from experienced sages, you continue on your own path, you contemplate your own ideas. You continue as a lone wolf, not depending on approval and love from a Tier 1 group. Because PURE understanding is more important than some sex or some survival shit. That is where men are forged, in the place where truth is more important than survival. I might take my life tomorrow, who knows, but even if I do that, at least I will be proud that I became a man, that I followed my hero's journey path fighting the dragons instead of staying in the cozy safe village doing yoga with women and children. Of course you continue to read books, watch docs etc. But you won't suck at JP's tit or kiss Judith Butler's rainbow ass. You will be able to draw your own conclusions, your skepticism will be sharp as a japanese knife This is the main reason most people fail in reaching Tier 2, because they are dependent on love/acceptance/sex etc. given by other Tier 1 people. This is no joke. My only friend whom I believed will make it, got lost into Stage Green newage nonsense. And when I tell him he took the wrong path, he tells me that all his Vipassana friends are on his side of argument and I am alone. Just because some Stage Green sheep give you kudos, does not mean you are right. This path is scary, but worth every minute if you make it. I dabbled in all sorts of sports and shit, but finally I feel I'm at the top in one thing, which beats all possible sports. Personal development. The winners of this "sport" will be the happiest in the world, while olympic medalists sit in the bath tub with a bucket of icecream crying. Art of contemplation:' This video has 8k views while Mr. Beast makes billions of views by throwing fucking trains into potholes. This summarizes our level of development right now.

By posting this thread I expected Leo to answer me, who already knows implicitly the whole story. I don't have time and patience to explain the whole Yin-Yang dynamics for you newbies here. I wrote a whole book about this topic, I can't just explain everything to you here. You being here is like me going to some rocket science forum calling the engineers there to be brainwashed because I don't understand simple math. I first recommend you to: Watch Leo's video about Masculinity and Femininity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmeDDN1_TSQ&ab_channel=Actualized.org Then read: "Beyoind Mars and Venus" and "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" by John Grey Then go more advanced with "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida This assumed you have a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics, developmental psychology, modern vs postmodern culture, paradigm lock, ideology etc.

Ok I don't give shit. Your are here to hear the truth not sugar-coated hippie shit. If you want to hear that go to some Stage Green meditation forum or some shit like that. This is Yellow stuff and Yellow stuff hurts. This is why only +-1% of people are Yellow. This is the only place where I can be truly myself without being cancelled.

Thanks, will finish it today and come with feedback.

Yups. And this is precisely why they are not healthy men, because they follow other people narratives. They do not CREATE something new, they just follow a sheep herd. The Red Pill macho, JP nonsense herd or the soft woke emasculated herd. Now it depends how high you set th bar for calling a man healthy. I have pretty high strandards for this. We have somewhat mature 40+ dads who do their best, but they are still meh.

healthy masculinity is so attractive that it makes straight men gay.

easier said than done, they've been deeply pussified. Women here scream for healthy masculine men, but they fail to appear. I even dated a feminist and environmental activist, she had meetings with Greta Thunberg at work. She told me she never knew how "straghtforwardness" at a date feels before, she could not wait to meet me.

This is why I became a man, because my situation was so dire that I either became a man or die. And this si why 99% of men are not men, because this not happened to them. Anyway, I don't expect them to know what I know or follow my personal development journey, I just want to have fun, not to feel like I die of boredom around them. I could do that with machos, because they were carefree and had social skills, not like these Swedish wimps who rot in front of a PC all day. With these guys I just politely try to avoid them as much as possible and aim for the girls.

@SwiftQuill i am a feminist then. 90% of men suck 9% suck even more 1% is good

I love feminine women

@BlueOak yeah I mean it is not rocket science for why is this happening. -lack of accountability -lack of role models -lack of challenges -lack of proper theory in what a man is and isn't -social media/isolation/video games/porn etc...

Lol what do you mean? I mean of course woman's behaviour plays a role in it but still.. when thousands of women say the same thing you start to wonder.

Good point. It is an insult to children.

I never say never man, they have my respect and I don't see them as idiots, I see them as a byproduct of a sick society. Actually, women don't like them, but they have no other option. What would be the other option? A macho jerk that manipulates and bullies them? Lost the count of swedish/expat women who told me how boring men are. And I didn't even push the subject, it is a deep frustration they have.

@BlueOak by coping I mean dealing with them in daily life because you have no option. Personally I gave up making guy friends, but I still deal with them at work, at parties etc. If I take them seriously, I get angry/disappointed. Since I gave up trying to make friends and treating them as children it worked much better for me. I take them from where they are at and see what they can offer, if they prove my skepticism wrong, good for them. But I interacted with hundreds of guys in my whole life and 99% of them disappointed me. We don't build men anymore, we build idiots. I also grew up in the online world, I also had traumas and so on, but I fixed myself, and that is what a man does . You don't do that and follow a sheep herd instead, you are not a man. I don't give a shit about their vipassana retreats, about their theories, about any of that shit. It is just a cope they do to mask the fear, laziness and unconsciousness.

Even Swedish government sell weapons to IDF and have Israel apologetic rethorics I

ok, I will contemplate that,

I get your "no bullshit" approach tot things Leo, but sometimes there has to be place for interpetation and discussion. It depens what art means for you, for some it might be art, for some not. Some fancy video game can be perceived as art by some nerds like us, but for my mother it might be just a bunch of pixels on a screen. Amazing feats of engineering wake the same emotions in me as some Picasso paintings do for some avant-garde art consumers. I get it, I am also tired of entertaining post-modern fluff of woke fools, but we can exaggerate the other way also.

Flying to the moon is art. Dutch urbanism is art. Government employs aritsts that do the art.