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Damn, you ever heard of jokes? Yes there are some, but insignificant numbers. The main trend is being a good boy. You don't do that, the majority of the society avoids you. Of course you'll find some sketchy Red/Orange groups

Yes, sometimes personal expereince is important. Especially now with so may grifters who pose as experts on podcasts and social media. The market is so oversaturated with idiots who express opinions that when a really experienced guy comes out, he has little chance to catch too much attention. Anyway, emotional undrstanding is deeper than intellectual understanding. If you don't live through the emotional experience, then you don't get it that deeply. We, men, have no idea how a woman feels when walking on a shady street in the middle of the night or to get emotionally addicted to an abuser. Women have no idea how it feels to have a deep craving for sex and romantic connection and every woman ignoring you.

@BlueOak whatever, niceness come from weakness, kindness comes from abundance. She shat a bit too much on them in the video.

Gabor Mate used to say: sometimes there i no non-painful alternative. If you choose to be authentic, you can get rejected. If you choose fakeness to get love, you feel the pain of not being authentic.

Fixing society is like fixing a wooden house, a complex broken system. You have a toolbox(masculinity), you have paint and a brush(femininity). If you just paint the rotten wood, the house will still collapse soon even if it looks nice. What you first have to do is to remove the rotten wood with your masculine toolbox and replace it with fresh wood, then you can cover everything in hippie dippie femininity. Femininity CANNOT exist in an unsafe, rotten environment. And forcing women to create the safety because "gender equality" bullshit, is idiocy. This ideology actually increases sexism and sadness among women.

Niceness is this: You referred to kindness

I was referring to immature postmodern people in general. Nice guys are not feminine, they are unstable and underdeveloped. Men need challenges in order to grow and they don't get it. They try to ape femininity in order to get the pussy and love they need from those around. Feminine people are fun, spontaneous, alive, even if averse to masculinity. Also important to notice that when I mean "woke" I mean those immature, relatively young and inexperienced people who were indoctrinated with Green values they cannot handle. I don't mean stage Green in general. Healthy Green people are nowhere near as dysfunctional.

They see everything through the empathy lens, of course masculinity is bad if seen through that lens. If all you have is a hammer, all you see is nails. If everyhing you have is femininity, all logic, hierarchical systems, dettachment, exclusivity, individualism, and disagreement is evil.

@Aaron p too many times I made myself vulnerable in front of strangers just to be hurt and misunderstood by their foolishness. My statement in the beginning sounds cynical, but it is actually a great survival strategy in today's broken world. The wokies made me feel the most excluded, I never felt more excluded than in Stage Green groups. Everything that is not inclusive enough is excluded. If you ar naturally more masculine: disagreeable, dettached from emotions, passionate about exclusive ideas, if your raise above them in any way, they get jealous/offended and you are tacitly avoided. All that while they shout for inclusivity. I don't like to call them Green because Green means and integrated Orange(masculine). It is more like a broken Blue/Green

@Aaron p I can put on Grandmas dress right now and mackup on my face and still be a man. Gender is about behaviour not looks, this is what wokies have to understand. Even their gender studies Godess Judith Butler tells them that: you perform the gender. @Emerald the Vikings are gone. They said:"fuck it, if we stay here longer we will grow pussies."

Bullshit jobs in corporations are a clear example of private sector inefficiency. Libertarians brag about how efficient private sector is. My ass

Tax wealth not work, Gary Stevenson's solution seems the most legit until now. The ideological left is too simple minded and emotionally driven to apply this correctly, they lack systems understanding.

The thing is that we do not live in dictatorships in Europe, but the leftists act like we do. Some people are afraid of change and we have to respect their position.

We have mostly extreme lack of empathy and too much empathy. On the one hand the lack of empathy towards Palestine and other third world cultures feeds terrorism/refugees/hate On the other hand too much empathy of some European countries also feed into far right by receiving too many refugees and not being able to take care of all of them. Tier one groups are like a wrecking ball, they just swinging from one extreme to another wrecking everything around.

The problem is when you are forced to interact with such guys and they don't accept that you are higher status than them. "We are are equals man" In some sense it is not surprising that so many people have enough with wokies. Their worldview is so out of this world. After you figure out how Stuff really works, you see them as you see flat-earthers. The problem is that the woke alternative people find is the Orange red pill

Yup, women just tell you to be kind and be yourself or whatever, then you see the same women sleeping with the ones who don't follow their advice. It is like a test: do you come to me for advice on how to get women? Then you are not good enough to get them. This be kind shit works when she does not have other options. When 100 guys are kind and nice to her, she will choose the one that is kind but also confident, careless, masculine, high status etc.

@Raze word! @Emerald what people like me an Leo are promoting is not manosphere. Manosphere is Stage Orange, which is under the soft egalitarian narrative which overwhelmingly dominates in Scandinavia. We promote something that si above the egalitarian madness of Green. I totally get why you are put off by the children advice. I was also. But after a while I got it. With most women this will work well. In the case of a very mature woman like you, another, more nuanced approach is needed. With you I won't bother applying that technique. I would rather have in mind the feminine-masculine polarity. If you would go into your feminine side, then I would just joke and have fun and lead you or whatever polarity stuff. If you would go into you masculine side, then we would have a more serious, logical conversation like I do with men. But that should to be avoided as much as possible in the attraction phase as I noticed it can lead to disagreement and loss of attraction. For example, I don't think this conversation we have right now will make you very attracted to me. After sex, you will get away with a lot more nonsense and mistakes done. Not that you should make mistakes but some masculine to masculine horn bashing won't end the relationship I mean. Actually my biggest opposition to this treat women like children was that I long for a woman who is mature enough to be able to appreciate my advanced ideas because this is my biggest value. I don't have lots of money or an amazing social circle, the only great value I can offer is my knowledge and advanced teasing/humour which req maturity to be appreciated. The thing is that the Green narrative is NOT working. I don't care how well it sounds, I am a witness of it not working. Come to Sweden and convince yourself. If we do not give clear instructions about what exactly is the difference between men and women, nothing good will come out. If some men misapply what we teach, that is not my problem. I won't give up my smartphone just because some fool misuses smartphones.

We can build rocketships but cannot understand what a man and what a woman is and how to relate to each other. Neither red pill tards or far left softies. It just doesn't stop to amaze me.

@Salvijus yes. How can we cook omelettes without people who are open to break some eggs?

I am a mean person, I should be kicked out of Sweden. Sweden should introduce a non-hippie detector to check every visa applicant

Did I ask you what I should do? I asked how you guys deal with them.

You still deal with them on day to day.

Exactly!! Good points !

Yes I am.

@AION thanks. Yeah I know I cannot change them, I was just curious how you guys interact with them. Intellectually you cant because they will just spin around bullshit or get defensive, jealous, confused etc. and emotionally is also hard because they are boring as hell and afraid to crack good jokes and have fun.