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What a buffon lol

This was a bang. I think my fetish is to watch this with my future hot philosopher girlfriend that is so intelligent and mature that she can switch from femininity to masculinity based on context. But probably, when I will have that experience, the alarm klock will wake me up, and will continue to keep my biggest passion, philosphy, for myself while telling all the kids around stuff that wakes good feelings in them so I keep my sex needs and survival in check Cheers master! Fuck that modesty, you are the truth king.

Great idea! Thanks!

Yea, some guys can have some pretty skewed views on this topic. It is mostly fueled by frustration but also patriarchal legacy. And that shit that Orion also advocates for, that men have to be served by women for some reason is retarded.

@Emerald no offense but it is pretty clear to me that you have some personal issue with this subject. Idk, maybe a macho guy hurt you or something. This level of closed mindedness is only given by a personal ego involvement all due respect, try and find the issue. Even if nobody said something about machos or some toxic masculine shit, you keep bringing it up.

I quoted Deidas take on it. It seems men mature harder, they need more external push 🫷. They have to feel consequences for their immaturity. Also the dating scene is depressing, they give up on personal development when no woman gives them the slightest attention.

Women can do whatever they want, I was talking about men. Women are mostly ok relative to the dark ages they live in. In short, let's listen to Deida because I am nobody: David Deida’s view comes from his broader idea that modern culture is stripping men of the challenges, responsibilities, and initiatory experiences that used to force them to grow into mature, grounded adults. He argues that without rites of passage, clear masculine role models, and the demand to take on real responsibility early, many men remain stuck in adolescent patterns — seeking comfort, avoiding risk, and defining themselves through distraction rather than purpose. He also blames the modern emphasis on comfort, consumerism, and instant gratification, saying it keeps men in a state of “boyhood” where they don’t develop depth, discipline, or the ability to face discomfort head-on. According to him, this trend will only worsen as technology and societal structures make it easier to avoid the kind of real-world struggles that forge maturity.

Because they get the wrong message. "Maturing" does not mean becoming a CEO dummy and kick ass in business and dominating people or whatever. It is a much more finesse process that implies lots of emotional/social/rational/behavioural development. His wife treats him badly exactly because he hasn't developed those soft areas. Very rarely you'll meet a woman complaining about a truly mature man. Only if she is broken from factory, in which case he won't be with her, he will intuit the relationship becoming a disaster even before starting it.

No, those are your projections onto me, I never said that. We talk about men now. Men had the protectors provider role for millions of years, we have to figure out how we can forge them into maturity in our "artificial" environment we live now.

@Emerald so Leo and Deida are intellectual weirdos? 😂 The most developed people I have seen are the ones who get this topic right. The most underdeveloped men I've met are the post-modern loosy goosy ones. You reffer to macho guys, they don't get what I or Leo or Deida say, they are just being brainwashed into "don't be a pussy" stage Red/Orange nonsense. Our take is much beyond that shit. Anyways believe what you want, don't assume you know me.it is a tragedy that even Tier 2 leaning people still don't get this simple crucial topic.

Being mature like Deida is not being macho. By finding out differences you help them.

Ok, and how will this argument help men become better? They will read your nonsense here and then will say "aha cool" and continue their pathetic mediocre life. Dude wake up, look around, men are broken. You kids live in fantasy land.

This is the typical post-modern rethoric. It depends, culture, individuals and shit. This rethoric only cofuses people and creates many problems. Yes, there are cats who like to walk in a leash, no shit. We are so spoiled here in the West. Wait until a strong army invades your country and you'll see how much gender matters.

Men love to map the world, women do that less. The typical debate, a man creating a map, then a woman coming and telling him that he is generalizing. Creating maps is hard, much easier is to come and say it depends and shit. Men induce, women deduce. This is why I am for sending a whole book about this topic to people, not pitching a take in a comment. You simply cannot map this shit in a comment without over generalizing

Men like to mentally masturbate about all sorts of shit. Make some nerdy content about anything and I'll assure you that the audience will be predominantly men. Men simply like to meet each other with a beer in their hand in front of a fking car and look at the engine together. They'd watch 3 hours of video with a guy cutting wood and making a shelter. This is how they relax, they retract in their cave of nerdiness that give them freedom. They love to figure out shit. Who is the best football player, who has the most right spiritual practice. Nature specialized women in creating and caring for life, while men were specialized in ending life. They love to figure out shit because that was their role for millions of years. How can we protect the tribe? How can we procure resources more efficiently? How can we make even more deadly spears? How can we end life easier? And of course, their obsession with status comes from the asymmetry in sexual interaction. The coolest dude gets the girl.

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@OBEler totally feel you dude. It is an amazing topic, and people not understanding men and women today is a tragedy. By not understanding this shit, people end up confused, underdeveloped, and lonely. Be very careful how you talk about this because people rapidly put you in a box. I personally wrote a book about it and if they seem interested of my take I send them the book. By pitching your take in 10 rows you expose yourself to the horde of poor sheep who project their biases and frustrations onto you. Write a book and send it to people who are interested. Sometimes this topic makes me feel like Leo feels when needing to share his spiritual experiences, people just don't get it. I have to accept that and just sit in awe of my personal contemplations and not sharing them with the masses of peasants.

Yes. There is a culture of over politeness and not standing out, people don't want to bother each other. Which can be nice, but it makes people lonely and emotionally/socially underdeveloped. The "cutting the tallest poppy" and "sticking the head into the sand" can go too far sometimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante?wprov=sfla1 Conversations can be boring as hell, as social skills being generally mediocre, also people do not dare to challenge each other into deep talk . Men are affected massively, as men collapse when nothing challenges their immaturity.

@Leo Gura when it's cold, I put put on my fancy down jacket and merino underpants. What can you do when it's too warm?

I am so happy I found a place with perfect weather. Sweden baby, 20-25 C summers; -5-10 C winters. Hot weather makes me depressed, I sweat, I age my skin. Rain is nice, stop hating rain people. Sweden is buit in such way that you can even live in the middle of the city and feel like living in the country side. No noise, no pollution, 100 steps to nearest forest with a lake. I feel so privledged living here, 95% of people will never have this luxury way of living in a city. USA infrastructure is a piece of garbage compared to germanic countries.

Yes, developed men have a strong feminine side. Femininity is the base on which masculinity can be built. Unfortunately I don't see many developed men in the West. My home country Romania has some grounded men, but here in Western Europe, it feels like most of them are stuck at age 15.

Social media by design burries the creators who evolved over society's center of gravity (modern). The algorithms are not designed for promoting high consciousness. You managed to come out in people's feed because of your great marketing skills/timing/ambition(/money?) Social media offers what people want. And people want chimp stuff.

It is rare because truly developed people are rare. It is not like you go to your random bar and you find more developed people than on an Internet forum. I went to some of the most fancy hippie festivals and even there most people cannot step out of the post-modern trap. The other non-hippie festivals and events had even more underdeveloped people. The most impressed I was by post-modern women, they have some kick. Conservative men can have some good points but they lack empathy, refinement and discipline. They don't walk the talk. And 90% of post-modern men are next to worthless. Sweden builds great women and shitty men. It is truly amazing how it works, create a safe feminine environment and women become better, men become worse. People just follow trends like sheep. It is like installing a software on a brain. The most popular softwares in the West are modern consumerism and post-modern hippie idealism. This is a truly rare place, a place pioneering Tier 2. Beyond post modern nonsense

Well it seems that some people like this way of communication. It is the reason people are here that is important. If they are here to help others and learn stuff, great. If they are here because they don't have any better survival mechanisms and copings, that becomes a problem. Leo's answer bought me, now I understand why he is here and he has good reasons.