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@Daniel Balan Dude, of course Romanians suck in their own way. But in regards to social skills and masculinity I see a big lack in swedish guys. The romanians are in general still too macho and manipulative but România still has a culture of rite of passage for men. You cannot call yourself a man willy nilly in Romania. There still is a distinction between what is a boy and what is a man in Ro, while here... It is not accepted to make that distinction. You have to come and live here in order to understand. I only mean it in terms of social skills and masculinity. Which does not exclude the presence of toxic masculinity in romanians, there still is plenty especially in the lower educated tier of guys. Do not go into history, it does not jave anything to do with that. Men even 70 years ago were completely different. I sometimes meet very mature and serious romanians. They are like this because there is no momy welfare state to help you there, you have to fend for yourself. Yes they are not the most refined and progressive in terms of their education, theories and political knowledge but the emotional maturity can be impressive. I know it is a bold statement but try to see between the lines.

Yeah, I mean I love Sweden and I can talk a ton about the good stuff here, but those good things are already told by so many and they are obvious. I would say the good stuff here weigh more that the bad stuff and I think I will have a good life here.

It can be that. I mean the Vikings were not the most feminine people lmao

Yup

Sweden took waaay more refugees per capita than the other european countries. It was more like: "look at us you racists"

If you are not open to embracing different cultures, letting go of your silly cultural norms, then don't take in so many people from very different backgrounds lol. It is like me going regularly to japanese restaurants in order to signal my japaneseness but I actually hate that food lol.

they mostly bring problems if they are not handled correctly. If they take tons of refugees with very different cultural background than the locals and the locals are some easily offended anti-social pussies, well then you might meet some problems. But mostly, immigration is a net positive.

Agree. We had The Bible in the past, now we have Gender Trouble.

are you ironic?

many lefties are ok, it is the small "woke" minority that fucks up our image. The problem in Scandinavia is not neccesarly only about lefties, it is a individualitic, conformist, conflict avoidant culture that rose way before we coined "wokeism". Wokeism that came after 2010s just supercharged this culture, it was like putting salt on a wound.

of course we generalize, but it only needs a majority in order to create the country's cultural values.

Why are you spending so much time here? For almost 10 years you stay here and explain the same basic stuff to some newbie kids who, most of them, just search a community, not serious personal development guidance. Maybe thousands of hours spent here for what? It does not help your business in any meaningful way. Most people here are not serious about this work, almost nobody is serious about this work, this work is done alone. Not even paywalled discord servers and forums are serious communities, it is almost impossible to create a serious community around self-improvement. Okay you want a place where people come and get their questions answered. I would just pay some moderators to take care of that and focus on myself. Your teachings are top notch but it seems there is a dissonance between what you teach and what you do. You tell us to stay in solitude, to burn our egos to the ground with boredom while you spend thousands of hours here. You tell us that you are very introvert and love solitude but you are here talking to newbies all day? What are your motivations? And for you guys who search a sense of community on a forum, It is like trying to meet your sexual needs by masturbating in a jar. Peace.

Nice explanation. Actually, 10 years ago when I was a lost kid, I had no good rational tools to give me the direction in life. There were the feelings and intuition that put me on the right path. I discovered Leo 10 years ago, but I also discovered other clickbaity influencers at the same time. It was my feelings that told me Leo is more right than those fucks. Then Leo gave me the rational tools I needed in order to direct my life in a masculine way. However, for some people, feelings can be deceiving, they stem, as you said from unconscious thoughts. If lots of trauma and bad beliefs drive your emotions and intuition, then you can go very south letting your feminine side steer you. I really believe that there is possible to find a woman who is both attractive and feminine but rational and grounded in truth. Maybe they are very rare in our broken society.

Dude, I lost so much sex because of you. 🙏 Not just telling something's wrong with her, telling stuff that wake bad emotions. Like telling that society is fucked up in some aspects. Not just women, this new version of child guys can be even more sensitive to that. At least women are cute when they are innocent. The truth leads you to fapping. Thanks for the insight about escaping the matrix brings you more suffering than pleasure. No doubt people avoid us when preaching truth, it is actually a great survival strategy to avoid such freaks. Avoid us people! we are fucked up.

the camel and the eye of a needle. You cannot simply get truth, you have to be part of it. These people are nowhere near there.

What a buffon lol

This was a bang. I think my fetish is to watch this with my future hot philosopher girlfriend that is so intelligent and mature that she can switch from femininity to masculinity based on context. But probably, when I will have that experience, the alarm klock will wake me up, and will continue to keep my biggest passion, philosphy, for myself while telling all the kids around stuff that wakes good feelings in them so I keep my sex needs and survival in check Cheers master! Fuck that modesty, you are the truth king.

Great idea! Thanks!

Yea, some guys can have some pretty skewed views on this topic. It is mostly fueled by frustration but also patriarchal legacy. And that shit that Orion also advocates for, that men have to be served by women for some reason is retarded.

@Emerald no offense but it is pretty clear to me that you have some personal issue with this subject. Idk, maybe a macho guy hurt you or something. This level of closed mindedness is only given by a personal ego involvement all due respect, try and find the issue. Even if nobody said something about machos or some toxic masculine shit, you keep bringing it up.

I quoted Deidas take on it. It seems men mature harder, they need more external push 🫷. They have to feel consequences for their immaturity. Also the dating scene is depressing, they give up on personal development when no woman gives them the slightest attention.

Women can do whatever they want, I was talking about men. Women are mostly ok relative to the dark ages they live in. In short, let's listen to Deida because I am nobody: David Deida’s view comes from his broader idea that modern culture is stripping men of the challenges, responsibilities, and initiatory experiences that used to force them to grow into mature, grounded adults. He argues that without rites of passage, clear masculine role models, and the demand to take on real responsibility early, many men remain stuck in adolescent patterns — seeking comfort, avoiding risk, and defining themselves through distraction rather than purpose. He also blames the modern emphasis on comfort, consumerism, and instant gratification, saying it keeps men in a state of “boyhood” where they don’t develop depth, discipline, or the ability to face discomfort head-on. According to him, this trend will only worsen as technology and societal structures make it easier to avoid the kind of real-world struggles that forge maturity.

Because they get the wrong message. "Maturing" does not mean becoming a CEO dummy and kick ass in business and dominating people or whatever. It is a much more finesse process that implies lots of emotional/social/rational/behavioural development. His wife treats him badly exactly because he hasn't developed those soft areas. Very rarely you'll meet a woman complaining about a truly mature man. Only if she is broken from factory, in which case he won't be with her, he will intuit the relationship becoming a disaster even before starting it.

No, those are your projections onto me, I never said that. We talk about men now. Men had the protectors provider role for millions of years, we have to figure out how we can forge them into maturity in our "artificial" environment we live now.