Alexop

good point. First you need to build your intellectual base by following expereinced teachers. But after learning the basics from experienced sages, you continue on your own path, you contemplate your own ideas. You continue as a lone wolf, not depending on approval and love from a Tier 1 group. Because PURE understanding is more important than some sex or some survival shit. That is where men are forged, in the place where truth is more important than survival. I might take my life tomorrow, who knows, but even if I do that, at least I will be proud that I became a man, that I followed my hero's journey path fighting the dragons instead of staying in the cozy safe village doing yoga with women and children. Of course you continue to read books, watch docs etc. But you won't suck at JP's tit or kiss Judith Butler's rainbow ass. You will be able to draw your own conclusions, your skepticism will be sharp as a japanese knife This is the main reason most people fail in reaching Tier 2, because they are dependent on love/acceptance/sex etc. given by other Tier 1 people. This is no joke. My only friend whom I believed will make it, got lost into Stage Green newage nonsense. And when I tell him he took the wrong path, he tells me that all his Vipassana friends are on his side of argument and I am alone. Just because some Stage Green sheep give you kudos, does not mean you are right. This path is scary, but worth every minute if you make it. I dabbled in all sorts of sports and shit, but finally I feel I'm at the top in one thing, which beats all possible sports. Personal development. The winners of this "sport" will be the happiest in the world, while olympic medalists sit in the bath tub with a bucket of icecream crying. Art of contemplation:' This video has 8k views while Mr. Beast makes billions of views by throwing fucking trains into potholes. This summarizes our level of development right now.

By posting this thread I expected Leo to answer me, who already knows implicitly the whole story. I don't have time and patience to explain the whole Yin-Yang dynamics for you newbies here. I wrote a whole book about this topic, I can't just explain everything to you here. You being here is like me going to some rocket science forum calling the engineers there to be brainwashed because I don't understand simple math. I first recommend you to: Watch Leo's video about Masculinity and Femininity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmeDDN1_TSQ&ab_channel=Actualized.org Then read: "Beyoind Mars and Venus" and "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" by John Grey Then go more advanced with "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida This assumed you have a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics, developmental psychology, modern vs postmodern culture, paradigm lock, ideology etc.

Ok I don't give shit. Your are here to hear the truth not sugar-coated hippie shit. If you want to hear that go to some Stage Green meditation forum or some shit like that. This is Yellow stuff and Yellow stuff hurts. This is why only +-1% of people are Yellow. This is the only place where I can be truly myself without being cancelled.

Thanks, will finish it today and come with feedback.

Yups. And this is precisely why they are not healthy men, because they follow other people narratives. They do not CREATE something new, they just follow a sheep herd. The Red Pill macho, JP nonsense herd or the soft woke emasculated herd. Now it depends how high you set th bar for calling a man healthy. I have pretty high strandards for this. We have somewhat mature 40+ dads who do their best, but they are still meh.

healthy masculinity is so attractive that it makes straight men gay.

easier said than done, they've been deeply pussified. Women here scream for healthy masculine men, but they fail to appear. I even dated a feminist and environmental activist, she had meetings with Greta Thunberg at work. She told me she never knew how "straghtforwardness" at a date feels before, she could not wait to meet me.

This is why I became a man, because my situation was so dire that I either became a man or die. And this si why 99% of men are not men, because this not happened to them. Anyway, I don't expect them to know what I know or follow my personal development journey, I just want to have fun, not to feel like I die of boredom around them. I could do that with machos, because they were carefree and had social skills, not like these Swedish wimps who rot in front of a PC all day. With these guys I just politely try to avoid them as much as possible and aim for the girls.

@SwiftQuill i am a feminist then. 90% of men suck 9% suck even more 1% is good

I love feminine women

@BlueOak yeah I mean it is not rocket science for why is this happening. -lack of accountability -lack of role models -lack of challenges -lack of proper theory in what a man is and isn't -social media/isolation/video games/porn etc...

Lol what do you mean? I mean of course woman's behaviour plays a role in it but still.. when thousands of women say the same thing you start to wonder.

Good point. It is an insult to children.

I never say never man, they have my respect and I don't see them as idiots, I see them as a byproduct of a sick society. Actually, women don't like them, but they have no other option. What would be the other option? A macho jerk that manipulates and bullies them? Lost the count of swedish/expat women who told me how boring men are. And I didn't even push the subject, it is a deep frustration they have.

@BlueOak by coping I mean dealing with them in daily life because you have no option. Personally I gave up making guy friends, but I still deal with them at work, at parties etc. If I take them seriously, I get angry/disappointed. Since I gave up trying to make friends and treating them as children it worked much better for me. I take them from where they are at and see what they can offer, if they prove my skepticism wrong, good for them. But I interacted with hundreds of guys in my whole life and 99% of them disappointed me. We don't build men anymore, we build idiots. I also grew up in the online world, I also had traumas and so on, but I fixed myself, and that is what a man does . You don't do that and follow a sheep herd instead, you are not a man. I don't give a shit about their vipassana retreats, about their theories, about any of that shit. It is just a cope they do to mask the fear, laziness and unconsciousness.

Even Swedish government sell weapons to IDF and have Israel apologetic rethorics I

ok, I will contemplate that,

I get your "no bullshit" approach tot things Leo, but sometimes there has to be place for interpetation and discussion. It depens what art means for you, for some it might be art, for some not. Some fancy video game can be perceived as art by some nerds like us, but for my mother it might be just a bunch of pixels on a screen. Amazing feats of engineering wake the same emotions in me as some Picasso paintings do for some avant-garde art consumers. I get it, I am also tired of entertaining post-modern fluff of woke fools, but we can exaggerate the other way also.

Flying to the moon is art. Dutch urbanism is art. Government employs aritsts that do the art.

@Leo Gura Imagine the government making games. Baiscally a competent non-corrupt govenrment can innovate and make stuff many times better than corporations, because they have loads of money and connections. Think about what NASA did. Gov programs gave us most of the amzing tech we have now, privates just took the tech and made profits with it.

Most people are children, Leo's work is not for children.

As Leo said, you'll never know for sure. People might hide their real faces or behave in evil ways. Until you know the person personally and see how they interract with others in pressing situations where their patience and felxibility is pushed to the limits you can't make a accurate conclusion. I have no clue how well Leo is treating his girlfriends for example. I think we should make a distinction between intellectual stage Yellow and behavioral stage Yellow. When shit hits the fan, people regress into monkey behavior.

ask them trap questions that will reveal their biases and partisanship. When they aren't able to see perspectives as they are, just perspectives, and they put thier worldview as asbolutely better, then that's not Yellow.

At the end, Kyle says he did not go far enough. From a big picture perspective I would say that even if he went further with progressive politics, Trump would still have come into power, judging from an Integral SD perspective. You just can't go full Stage Green in the US with no bad consequences. 1. Average folk from the country side are not even Orange, they will not jump a stage, they have to burn though Orange first. So Green full steam ahead will lead to backlash. 2. The Super rich will lobby the shit out of any possible news anchor in order to keep their millions, and the "woke" Green gave them enough propaganda material.

Don't let my smile trick you. I am a badass MF. I eat armchair forum sages for breakfast. I don't ask for your POVs, I ask your GF how happy she is with you.