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@Natasha Tori Maru great ideas! And this concludes Leos attractive but not necessarily great. To be great in this rotten society you might give up attractiveness. You will have less social status and social skills due to Isolation, might have less humor, you might not be interested into small talk that much anymore, you might not have that much money etc. and truth alone won't get you laid that much. You might get passionate about very "shady" but true ideas that if you tell them you might get rejected. And wise women sometimes sense when you hold back shit. Or you yourself might not get arroused by most women anymore My personal experience with physical attractiveness mattering for women is that it does not matter that much. Now I am getting a bit bald but in my 20s I had perfect hairline, 192 cm tall, athletic, nice face and all that. Almost no woman flipped an eye to that until she found me funny, safe, high status, or whatever. In the club they use to notice me more due to height. Very rarely I got flirting looks by women that didn't know me yet. Today I feel that women care a lot more about the man being safe and sound, and funny and intelligent of course. Maybe those club girls that only look after sex might care more about looks because all they want is you body. Attractive women have so many options these days that looks alone cannot compete. It is a plus not a decisive factor as in women's case.

They love to look up to a role-model, but they don't have the courage to do what it takes to become one. They will even ostracize and look down on people who try to become the role-model that they look up to. "God is only one"

@Schizophonia yes I meant neurotic autisitic "smart". Dumb smart as I used to be. Saying stuff that just dont fit well even if they come from authenticity. they go after vibe, now if they are conscious enough they can see your worth even if the vibe is off in the beginning and still choose you over a good vibes dude that is full of shit. But if you say really politically incorrect shit it is pretty much game over.

Yes! Relationships are just some enjoyment. Real work is done alone.

So true man. The most dumb and unconscious guys I know got the most attention from women. It took me sooo long to accept this reality. I thought that behaving truthfully will attract the conscious women to me, but unfortunately not even the most conscious women want to hear you talk about sad truths and dry facts about reality. You give her a bad vibe, bad feelings and she doesn't want that. Most guys included, many just want to hear what they want to hear, not the truth that will break through their petty ideologies. The most juicy ideas that passionate me alot have to be kept for myself. It is like being able to finish the last level in Mario but if you show to others how you do it, you will get ghosted, you have to play the first 3 levels with them in order to be accepted. Tell them that feminine perspective cares less about truth than the masculine and see how much sex you'll get, you'll be the first person to get rejected by an AI girlfriend.

@Emerald pretty cool answer. Mine is prompted for very direct, non-sugar coating answers. The whole tier 1 has pretty shit relationships to be honest, but the answer I got is pretty fascinating and not very wrong. But of course it depends on what Blue and Orange people we talk about. The relationships can be way worse than Green if the man is a dominant macho or some shit like that.

@OmniNaut Tier 1 stages are not a straightforward improvement in any possible way from one to the other. It is ideology based and conformist based, even the individualistic stages are still very conformist. Those stage orange couples that think they are unique are basically some conformist automatons that conform to the Instagram pop culture. Green is even more conformist because it is a very feminine stage. Those hippies that you see dressing in cool interesting ways is just a pseudo-diversity. real diversity is in values, behaviour and knowledge. And Green messes up realtionships quite bad because of not understanding masculinity and femininity. Only Tier 2 has autonomy of mind because it realized how limited and stupid all the ideologies and cultures are.

In some aspects it can be, of course you have to take this with a grain of salt.

You would be amazed how conformist Stage Green can be, if you live in a Stage Green dominant country you’ll notice how they just adopt the mainstream behaviors and values without questioning. The average Stage Green person from today’s Green countries are very unevenly developed, often lacking Orange and Red qualities, leading to a overly emotional, conflict avoidant, ideological about equality and safety before everything, even before truth. The main thing is equality bias that makes them believe (falsely) that men behave and have the same needs and preferences like women, this is the biggest fallacy of today’s underdeveloped Green people. Now of course you’ll meet some wholesome, mature Green people that understand these asymmetries, usually spiritual people but are still not at Tier 2 yet. I specifically mentioned the stereotype person, which is not perfect and did not properly integrate stages from below, it is the average Green Joe and Josephine.

I want to ask you, if we have three couples and they are the stereotype couples of that stage, a man with a woman, and we take stage blue, stage orange, and stage green. Which couple do you think is most dysfunctional of these three stereotype stage blue, orange, and green couples? ChatGPT said: If we talk purely in terms of stereotypes, the stage green couple tends to be the most prone to dysfunction, at least on the surface. Stage blue couples often have stability, rules, and clear roles, so even if things feel rigid, they function reliably. Stage orange couples can be ambitious and competitive, so conflicts exist but they often find practical solutions. Stage green couples, on the other hand, highly value equality, feelings, and consensus, which can lead to endless debates, passive-aggressive behavior, or avoidance of direct conflict, making them appear more dysfunctional in everyday life. Ouch... I was expecting that answer haha. Careful with your deconstructions of things, equality and relativity my hippie dudes You might make everybody equally miserable.

These insights are pure gold nowadays. You guys have no idea how lucky you are you stumbled upon Leo/Teal Swan/David Deida. I met people who are absolutely killing it in terms of economy/politics/science/business etc. but they simply cannot accept these basic things. They are basically fucked for life. Thanks Leo for shining some light onto this post-modern madness we live in!

If this post made you contemplate whether personal development is worth the suffering and loneliness it brings, here you have a list with all the traps and shit the normies fall into, assuming they live in the West: -they will eat tons of wheat based products that will make them fat and destroy their digestive system because mainstream nutritionists even to this day do not understand how bad wheat is. -they will poison their body with heavy metals, PFAs, microplastics, pesticides etc. found in specific foods and products that they have no idea about -they will become wage slaves to some dead end job and they will not be able to change that because of all the debt they accumulated though buying houses, cars etc. that they cannot afford -they will not be able to become men and women and will have disastrous romantic relationships, they won't understand how attraction works, they will gaslight their partner, because nobody tells them about masculinity and femininity -they will have some unruly or broken children because they have no idea how to raise them properly. -they will have no clue about spirituality and how it can change their lives -they will never ever have a spiritual awakening -they will never know how to find truth by themselves but trusting other people like sheep -they will constantly be frustrated because they don't understand politics, economy, relationships, power, war, how ideology works, how the mind works, what the essenc eof the universe is -because of not learning a dev. psychology model like Spiral-Dynamics, they will never understand the above. -they will become addicted to porn, drinking, sugar, wheat, netflix, tiktok, mindless chatter with their friends etc. -they will have constant drama and fights with their friends and family -they won’t have the discipline to keep a tidy home and environment -they will die with regrets probably SO good luck my friends! It is 100% worth the loneliness and suffering in the end. Even if you draw a line at the end of your life and conclude that you suffered more than a normie, what is the point in suffering a bit less? Is life only about minimizing suffering at all costs? Even at the cost of truth?

I am working towards becoming a coach, but this realization makes me reluctant about leading people into serious self-improvement. The amount of suffering and loneliness I went through in order to reach the point where I find myself now is just too much for the average folk. I think I'll focus on helping them with basic survival like how to fix their nutrition, health, relationships.

Well a good way to live like a monk can be to move to some welfare state and exploit the gov then haha. I see lots of people here in Scandinavia staying years in a row on gov support. Just play sick and you can be a monk lol. The problem is that these leeches use this advantage to watch netflix and porn not grow themsleves, which is disgusting. Finally average people have the opportunity to live like monks but they use this opportunity for jerking off. Those who use it, are in regress not in progress. Thanks for sharing your present views on women, interesting! It is hard to forget about women, I think they are a core motivator for men in life.

@nexusoflife I reccon that this masculinity vs. femininity plus lack of socialization are among the top problems that will fuck us up in the future if no serious turning point solves the issue. That is because relationships are a critical pillar for most people's mental health. If this falls all the way down, I am concerned about the sanity of our people. The average Joe and the basic Josefine does not have Leo's career and life purpose, they will have a hard time finding meaning and happiness in something other than relationships.