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Yup. I mean those 10.000 serious people and all we know about the universe until now... all the planets and galaxies etc. makes for a strong case. There is basically 0% chances that only humans made it to this level of intelligence in the whole universe. There are just too many stars and galaxies.

@Leo Gura so at some point, if there are too many "mature" witnesses, we can begin to trust their word, even to a legal trial degree? For example: if enough "mature" people witness that a woman was raped by X, then we can send X to 20 years in prison based only on that? I don't say that you are wrong or so, and just believing in aliens is not as serious of a thing as potentially destroying the life of a person. I just want to raise this ball, that if we don't have a so called in legal world: a "beyond a reasonable doubt" proof, we cannot be 100% sure. In the same way mob justice can happen, mob ontological commitment can happen.

I mean yea, they are less nerdy. They spend less time in their head and more in the present. My ex literally fell asleep while explaining Spiral dynamics to her. But does that make them less developed or less mature?? Relative to what? I mean they observe so much stuff because they are so present, and observation can be a very stong tool for understanding. They are also very responsible in my experience. Especially after they have kids. And if assuming responsibility is not maturity, what is? And we judge them based on how well they function and understand the techno-patriarchal society we built. But who says this is the only way to live well? Living in your head exposes yourself to many delusions. And that is not intelligent, that is stupid. You try to understand the essence of a hand through math and chemistry. She tells you: let that nonsense aside and just observe it's majesty. Your hand is fucking magic, nerdy idiot.

I would call them magicians. Whenever they appear, all the women disappear.

I mean it is all butterflies until one poke another's ego. But yea, you're right. If they agree on the subject it is usually ok. Echo chamber online interactions are ok 😂

Leo had to ban lots of trolls and weirdos in order to reach this level. Most online interactions with people are slightly above trash. Because there are no consequences when you are online. This shows me how animals we still are as society. We only behave when there are consequences. LOL: 1000 posts. Yay! Finally, after 8 years here.

Nerdiness is the quality of having a deep, passionate, and single-minded enthusiasm for intellectual, technical, or niche subjects. Can't a deep enthusiasm about non-formal thinking and spirituality be seen as nerdy?

@Natasha Tori Maru we love you ❤️ you do a great job! We just try to figure out this complicated subject, and sometimes we fail at it. It is the one subject the almost nobody gets it right. Nether the conservatives nor the progressives. I am a progressive, but when I see how miserably progressives fail at this subject, at building good men and implicitly hurting women, I get mad.

Good one. I somehow get it but it still is a problem. When he comes with that claim, he might have a very nuanced take on it. But It is a problem because when another guy who trusts him sees that short comment, he will take it as it is, black and white, without the hidden nuances. And he will parrot it further ideologically, dealing damage.

I don't need to read any text to realize that my hand is magic. It is just an empirical deduction

I think your short comments about controversial topics can be harmful. They remained imprinted in my brain and made me rethink my reality. Comments like: "women should leave this shit aside and just be cute"; "women just won't accept they are wrong" etc.. I think when you make such bold claims, they have to be done in a long video, not short comments. With lots and lots of disclaimers, nuances and "but Leos".

Yes but if you frame it like: "women are shallow and immature but you still have to respect them"... on a philosophy forum, that leads into treating them in a special way, which is kind of suboptimal. Because then women here would be like: "yeah, I am a woman, they know that and they just hold themselves back". The thing is that I don´t really experience this shit in my real life. IDk where you guys spend your time but I meet many mature women and many immature men. Women who understand advanced shit like social constructions but also being soft and feminine. Women who trust my lead, women who surprise me with very intelligent remarks, even philosophical remarks... the only suboptimal thing I observe them doing is not properly filtering through men and picking a good one in an efficient way. Although that can be challenging and I might be wrong. Immature people are immature. Women being less autistic and socialized towards consensus, if immature, they will be drawned towards toxic femininity and wokism. Men if immature, because they are more autistic and socialzed towards competition and hierarchy worship, they wil be drawned towards right wing extremism and libertarianism. Just because we have an autistic paradigm bias and a woman comes here with another perspective, does not make her immature and us more "mature". I see lots of paradigm locked men who whine about women being paradigm locked lmao.

Same in Sweden. This is why I am like "HUUh?" when I hear people whine about women being immature. Women are substantially better at almost anything(except maybe programming and engineering/construction shit) than men here. Men don´t properly develop in these scandinavian nanny societies. We just have to verfy for ourselves everything. It is very tempting to just believe Leo, and I think his short comments here about women and more are making people to form wrong opinions, including myself. I won´t believe anyone saying something about this topic without tons of proof anymore.

Very well framed! We guys do a poor job integrating women in our circles. I might´ve also said stuff that landed badly for women here. Sorry if so! IDK what to say about this stuff that very mature women are unattractive, because somehow they are masculine. I know that even Leo said it, but I don´t really experienced it in real life. Developed women can turn their masculinity and femininity on and off, like a superpower. Like: now I lead, now I follow. In fact nowadays, I meet more mature women than men. They are playful and fluid but also smart and logical when it is required. Never felt like loosing attracton when they challenge me with a more "mature" masculine vibe. It is like a shit test. If i pass it, I win their respect and they chill out in their feminine side and all good. If they constantly challenge my lead because they want to actually lead, that is something else. Those women are either not for me or not as "mature" as it seems.

"we have top people working on it" LMAO. @Leo Gura give them poor guys a helping hand.