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You assume way too much about me

@Leo Gura Do you think many new age people intuitively (or viscerally) have the same insight you do, especially women? Or you sense that their feel for it is still somewhat inferior? Like genuinely integrated and spiritually advanced green people for example Compared to other insights/experienced that you shared, this one sounds like something from bit different category but also it seems that many people in our society reached the same insight/state or something similar

I'll leave you guys here to discuss more intelligent topics then, sorry for my misbehaviour I would strive to be as objective and fair as possible even if I lost everyone and everything. The root cause anyway is not some country ot nationblock or even nazis, but something deeper and we don't have to have bullshit revanshism and hate each other just because some other people decided to send us to war against one another

Sure, bro, but I exactly said those exact words in like 10 of my posts already But for some reason you want to keep being combative against me

What's funny is that I was ignoring this topic for all these 6-7 months because I didn't want to participate in any of these shitshows and just focus on my Life Purpose I thought maybe we could have a great discussion here on Actualized Forum with people subscribing to all this advanced stuff, but it all came down to people from Ukrainian-Russian descent talking to each other and just being stubbornly biased against each other cherry picking arguments and constantly trying to skew each other arguments with very little intellectual ethics I guess I'll just double down on avoiding this bullshit and free your attention to focus on some vatnics somewhere outside this place to argue against

@Something Funny Sure, they actually also tried to whitewash themselves big time after all these media scandals and so forth. Maybe right now there is not that many nazis in it Anyways, I think we gotta agree both that we have no clue how many nazis are there in Azov right now and was in the past. We can't deny tho there were nazis and there were atrocities, which was my only point of this convo

@Galyna Guys, I'm not pro-Russian at all, stop framing me in such a way / associate with Russian Government just because I talk about Russian agenda and nazis

Nope. This wikipedia page and independent research from western sources state that people from Azov were nazis long before Azov's creation Maybe there wouldn't be an Azov Battalion, sure, but why does it matter? They would do their nazi things under a different name/structures Also, these guys are clearly not only anti-Russia, they are anti non-white people in general and exhibit all kinds of xenophobias that are generally related to Naziism as a phenomena

Sure, but it doesn't have any connection to my question, because I am talking about Azov people and their tatoos and reputation, not Zelensky or Poroshenko or other elite

My bad, it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment

Sure, but why anti-semitism? They actually do exhibit these things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regimen Even US banned the funding of this battalion, and it was before 2014 Read chapter 4 about Human Rights Violations and chapter 5 about Neo Naziism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment#Human_rights_violations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment#Neo-Nazism

Sure, but then it means they legitemately travelled across from the west to east to fight with pro-Russian population here, which kinda contradicts your argument as well

I don't mean to be offensive at all, but so called "Nazis" are actually situated pretty close to Donbass region if we are to believe the story. They say the most famous nazi battalion is Azov - which is named for its proximity to Azov Sea, which is on the east of Ukraine. And their base is believed to be in Mariopol, which is in the east as well and very close to Donbass. So they didn't really need to travel anywhere, they were very close I really really don't mean to be offensive, but most Ukrainians from Kiev and western Ukraine are oblivious regarding what's was going on to the east of them, people that are 20-35 just simply didn't care and didn't bother to study it, because why would they? And I don't judge you or them, If I were from western Ukraine, I probably wouldn't care at all about what's going on here

And now both civilian Ukrainians and Russians are afraid to go here on vacations, lol, me included So it's basically the turn for Russian combatans to chill here on a beach and enjoy mountain's air, cause it's heavily militarized now

Yep, the issue is that eastern parts of Ukraine were never really Ukrainian until USSR shinagans and its collapse, hence they just have predominantly Russian culture here, that's why it is so different and that's why there were these civic disturbances and wars and that's why they pretty much hate each other With or without Russia, there was an ethnic conflict inside Ukraine in this region, which is basically culture/ethnicity based, you can call it nazism or not, it doesn't matter. It didn't have to be resolved with such cruelty from both Ukrainian forces side (Before 2022) and from Russian forces, that's for sure, but it is what it is

In a sense what they are saying is true in that Russia was trying very heavily to interfere with Ukrainian affairs all these years. Trying to elect pro-Russian president for example and so forth and people was aware about what's going on It's not really as simple as Russia\Putin or Ukraine\Ukrainians or Nazis or West are good/bad, there is a deeper systemic issue at play that is more values-based. For Ukraine, being a Pro-Russian means basically to go for this orderly-like society with iron fist as a main issue solver and slowdown on all pluralistic goodies that are prominent in the west right now But the majority of Ukrainians truly don't want it, there is actually something unique about Ukraine ethnic and that is they are extremely freedom loving as a culture. It is a Cossacks culture, they don't want USSR-esque bullshit. That's why there was always some conflict and some sort of codependence between Russian ethnics and Ukrainians even within Russian Empire because of this presise issue. They don't want to sit at Saint-Petersburg or Moscow and write some bullshit poems, they want to be at nature and enjoy life, they want to build no empire unlike Russian people. That's basically Ukrainian POV in a nutshell That's why there also was and is a strong big hippie movement in Ukraine. In a sense, among all post-soviet countries, Ukraine is the greenest of them all. They can take weed there freely and noone will bat an eye, there is a huge psychedelic movement in Karpaty' region because shrooms are basically under each tree and only the lazy won't experiment with them But there are also nazis

Dude, I agreed with Leo that nazis are not #1 problem and cause of all this bullshit happening, you can read it in a few pages behind All my point was is that there are actual nazis in Ukraine and it is influencing the situation. No, i'm not saying that 100% of ukrainians are nazi, not 50%, not even 25%, but there is some % and they are creating some trouble Right now sure, it all makes most ukrainians basically naturally hate russians, and hate for a good reason

Yeah, I feel you, it indeed hijacks our animalistic minds in a big way ---- [edited] @Something Funny I didn't realize I was speaking to actual Ukrainians here and that one of them is female. I want to actually say sorry for being so dismissive. I am personally very sorry about what's going in your country right now and I think it's a disaster. There are many different factors at play of course, but we all cannot deny that people are dying and there are a lot of civilian casualties on both sides which is shit. All I can say that both of our countries are extremely corrupt and they don't really deserve to have the likes of us in them. I hope this corruption will end soon but realistically speaking it's not gonna be that fast I hope we will all one day stand together as brothers and settle our differences so we won't have to have this bullshit that is going on right now We can then count who has more nazis in our countries together

Ahh, that explains a lot. Go watch all videos on Leo's channel, then we'll talk

Your claims are simply too ridicolous and biased to spend my time deconstructing it, go educate yourself (at least with legit western sources), or find better things to do

Lol Anyways, I'm out of here, you're definetely are not valuing understanding or truth, good luck finding people to talk to. I suggest to go to some reddit or telegram channels with your combative attitude, you'll belong very well there.

Meh, sorry, but you just keep making strawmans, that's ridiculous FYI, I stopped going to school in Russia after like 7th grade and before 7th grade I was constantly running from classes, so I was lucky to not receive as much propaganda as my peers in that regard, which in big turn helped me also to develop myself so that we are now speaking on this forum and not on some reddit or 4chan Based on your distorted view in your posts you definetely have no idea about Ukraine's history just like most westerners, which is why I suggest you go study it in some unbiased source (or study versions of both sides - will be even better for overall understanding)

@Something Funny @no_name Sorry, but you guys seem to severely lack context of what was going on in Ukraine region in the last 30 years, 300 years historical context and its political climate now and then As you seem to be very Western biased, I will suggest you to go listen to the content of Oleksey Arestovich to learn more about it all. He is an ukraininan propagandist and a direct advisor of Zelensky and obviously very biased towards Ukraine (West), yet he is a philosopher first and foremost and clearly has truth in one of the highest values so gives a rather accurate perception on things (unlike many propagandists in Russia, truth be told) You'll learn a lot here, there are many videos of him on youtube, many have good English subtitles. English wikipedia also has some good unbiased info on it all (or maybe slightly biased towards pro-west Ukraine, but it should be fine for you I guess) But also, watch your biases and projections. I'm not pro-russian guy by any means. I consume some russian propaganda but at very moderate dosages for scientific purposes and my own contemplation. Besdies it I've consumed I guess more than 50 different resources at a whole spectrum both pro-russian and pro-western it's just intellectualy dishonest to call me a pro-russian, lol. I've personally done a pretty good holistic analysis of a situation, so I think I have a rather integrative overview on it all. All I'm doing is just pointing at your misunderstandings of a situation and some missing pieces of the whole picture. Which is what Leo tries to do in this topic too. This forum obviously has a very western leaning (and I guess I lean western as well), so it's unsurprising to see that you guys don't really bother that much to study non-western POV and understand it, but still