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Why are you having such absolutist position on a body of teaching you are clearly unfamiliar with? How do you know that the course doesn't hold the view that ego isn't a function of state? The reason words like guilt are used is because it aims to directly address certain views in the christian traditions by adopting the same words but having entirely different concepts behind those words. In addition it weaves together those words and concepts in such a way that it is inappropriate to speak of how one word is used in isolation.

There is a fundamental mistake I see going on in thread which is the confusion of what Spiral Dynamics is. Spiral Dynamics is just a model.. a useful model but a model nonetheless it specifically tracks the progression of VALUES of SOCIETIES in time. So by it's very nature it is meant to track neurotypical people. So yea people in Tier 2 tend to be more intelligent but that in of itself is not directly explained by Spiral Dynamics maybe one can draw an indirect connection that the values of yellow lead to a more intelligent person but that's already stretching the limits of what this model can do.

It's a shame you haven't got any responses because this course is dope! I'm currently on part 4 so I don't want to be too critical yet but one thing I definitely learned was that the realist view of the world is not only hard to defend but impossible to defend. On the other hand the idea that bodies are a impingement of a dissociated consciousness on another dissociated consciousness is kind of iffy to me right now. Because how can a mental process destroy another mental process by attacking the representation of observation of that mental process. In other words if bodies are just a projection how come destroying them actually destroys the dissociated consciousness that projects it?

Yea I drifted away after they started emphasizing the anti-woke stuff. For me that is always a red flag.

@Leo Gura But that's where the fun is ! That is the reason why it's not only good but necessary for all stages to exist.

Yea sounds nice I'll do that as well.

@Consilience I get really get that just wanted to express my feeling cause I'm trying to make a habit of watching his new vids at the same time on the same day and having some kind of info would be helpful to plan around gaps. It's not a huge deal or anything.

It's not the same topic though. He is asking if there will be a video this week and I'm asking if we can have a PSA if there is no video or a significant delay.

I really don't want to sound entitled or anything but I would really appreciate a heads up when there is no video in a week or a video gets delayed. Either in a blog post or in a stickied forum thread where I can just check.

Damn I'm glad I followed you. You really are under appreciated here. Thanks for the info and please keep sharing!

I haven't had any significant enlightenment experience that would let me speak with authority about this matter but can you see how the question you are asking doesn't make sense even if we were to be talking from the materialistic paradigm? "If Humans and rocks are both made of the same stuff(atoms/ other subatomic particles) then how come they are so different?"

Hey Leo, I felt that you misunderstood some of the points Ziziek made and I would have loved to hear you address the things he said.In your video you pointed out how zizek was basically right in saying that enlightenment doesn't make you better and went on to speculate how zizek would respond to that. You also misunderstood his point of stating that there is no difference between a pill and a genuine enlightenment. So basically what Zizek was saying was that Buddhists on one hand claim that you have to follow certain ethical rules to become enlightened and to be seen as enlightened and his argument is that there is no reason for that to be the case if enlightenment is only a spiritual shift. His example with the pills is used to as an argument that there is such a thing as enlightenment without adhering to moral precepts. His reason for citing DT suzuki was also to show exactly that.

@Leo Gura I thought about what you said and I understand now, thanks a lot my man!

Thanks for being patient but we are either talking past each other or I'm being pretty dense...or both So let me try to explain my problem more clearly. Where I'm stuck is that if you say that you need to follow some moral rules in order to awaken but you get to set those rules it seems to me that it directly undermines the claim that you need to be moral in order to awaken. In other words if it is for all intents and purposes an absolute that I have to follow some moral rules but morality itself is relative then by extension whether and if I have to follow any moral rules is also relative? I hope I'm making sense here.

But that's just the same as saying that there aren't any moral requirements at all. That would mean that Donald Trumps lying, cheating etc. are in fact not a hindrance to his awakening.Because he is imagining that he is doing the right things.

This is what confuses me.Because that would imply that there are some moral values that are absolute,right? Because just like you mentioned even Hitler thought he was doing the morally right thing and especially Donald Trump thinks he is the best thing that ever happened to America so who gets to decide which moral precepts are necessary?

@Leo Gura Yes makes sense.

@Leo Gura What specifically makes you think that? Is it because the people creating AI have a lack of understanding of what consciousness,intelligence and creativity are? Is it the lack of technology or infrastructure or research culture?

What does "truly self conscious" mean? How is that distinguished from something that merely seems like it's self conscious? If by intuition you are hinting at connecting to the very source and transcending limited identity I don't see a reason why an AI would be categorically unable to connect to the source which by definition is the source of everything. Additionally I would argue that what keeps us limited in our small identity is partly habit and partly predisposition based on our biology so I don't even see a reason why an AI couldn't be constructed in a way that facilitates higher intelligence without a limited identity.

If we were talking about 10 or 20 years I would totally agree with you but who knows what could happen in a 100 years. What is impressive about current AI research is the rate of progress. Even if most of the algorithms were to be only refined the current leverage points are compute power and data can give huge gains.

Unfortunately no...that's just how people are on this forum... But on topic: 'Zen Mind,Beginners Mind' is the book that is having the biggest impact on me right now because when you are getting involved with spirituality it's easy to get lost in big ideas, mumbo jumbo and fantasy this book is fundamental for gounding and emphasizes the daily grind of practice.

I just want to share the synergy between SD and the Enneagram that I experienced. The thing about SD is that it doesn't account for different types of humans. My introverted green won't look anything like your extroverted green and to track that better I found the Enneagram to be pretty useful. I remember once reading that in a Ken Wilber book and quickly glossing over it(which was a mistake). So anybody interested maybe check it out and incorporate it into Leo's LP course I bet the results will be pretty interesting so it would be cool if you could either share it here or just DM me.

Imagination is real experience.

"Different things work for different people at different times" - Shinzen Young

I really don't know about all that...but I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that something about the phrase "I don't like the idea of you doing X" shows like real concern. I also noticed that in recent days/weeks he goes out of his way to be encouraging and compassionate. Maybe it's just me.