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Liberation is the end of suffering. Please don't listen to people like LEO. they are totally clueless. From what I have seen there are at least 2 genuinely members on this forum who are liberated and ended suffering completely, never to arise again. Self Realization is very rare. so most who claim that and say they still suffering... ARE NOT DONE!. Be careful and good luck on your path.

You are taking about physical pain. doesn't matter how liberated you are, anyone will feel pain of injury. The whole point is. self realization is the end of suffering. no more painful feelings. Sure the emotions do go on, but the mental pain is completely absent. there is no lack or gain for the realized as he is always in peace. Ramana screamed from pain when he had cancer. but his mental suffering was completely absent.

You should have spoken more clearly then. Notions such as "there is no one to get liberated". "body-mind does not get liberated". are useless and only add more confusions. Liberated persons can claim and say "I am enlightened and all my suffering is gone forever and ever". Someone who is liberated however, fear and anxiety won't arise ever again, nor the physical symptoms associated with it. Now the question is for OP is if it is so for him? Like I said a bit more than one year ago he said the complete opposite.

Yes I did. I know this video. This line doesn't reject the fact that self realization is the end suffering. PS: Also Nisargadatta had cancer, he said himself that he doesn't suffering and is in peace and bliss.

Idealized version? I bet you haven't listened to anything he said from being so stuck in your spiritual ego mind. You don't like the idea of ending suffering because you (the ego) don't want it to end. Don't expect sympathy from any of us.

You don't know what you are talking about because you don't know what realizing your true nature means. You still have a spiritual ego. your ego is getting a hold of you. You probably don't meditate to realize your true nature and be in a state of permanent peace bliss. You enjoy suffering like most people. talk a lot. do so little to end it.

Man please stop. you are confused. are you even listening to yourself? If you met Nisargadatta he would throw you out for being so conceptual. Follow his advice and meditate on the IAM

Self Realized people would still feel and scream from physical pain like injury. but the mental psychological suffering is gone. So if a person who is liberated and his daughter has cancer. there won't be ruminating and suffering over it. the peace of mind will be always present and nothing will ever affect it. However like I said, the OP isn't liberated, unless something in his state changed since last time I asked him questions. Again, people should read the ancient text and listen to people who are truly liberated.

Dude, you are stuck in mind concepts. You don't even know what self realization is. For your own sake, do some research before spouting nonsense. Thanks. PS: I suggest reading some Ramana and Nisargadatta. both of them are self realized and ended suffering. STOP bringing your own definition of enlightenment here.

Well I really hope for you that you are liberated. Because the ones that are liberated I personally know about ended their suffering COMPLETELY. Which means, if a very beloved person died, they won't suffer from any anxiety and depression. they still have a peace of mind. unaffected. IF they know they are going to die by tommorow by cancer, FEAR is completely absent. IF it is not like this for you, which it probably isn't because again, long time I asked you about that and you said anxiety and future worries GO ON. you made it look like that the ones who claim to be liberated and ended suffering completely are lying. but did you think maybe you are in the "wrong"? THEN you are not liberated! You might have a nice permanent shift, but still got work to do. I would suggest reading the ancient texts as well.

Can you prove the subconscious mind exist? Can you disprove the subconscious mind exist? Can you prove enlightened beings do not have a subconscious mind?

OP, you are not even liberated. STOP giving bad advice to seekers.

So many stupid comments. Meditation leads to pure awareness which leads to self realization = the end of suffering and living in peace and bliss all eternity. Seriously, do the people of this forum really don't have understanding what it is to realize one's true nature? I advice to read the ancient text than forming your own opinion what liberation is and isn't.

Do some research about enlightenment before you speak nonsense.

End of suffering = end of psychological pain. No more anxiety, future/past worries. no uncomfortable emotions. Of course physical pain like injury continues.

How do you know he is liberated? If you truly think that, you have to ask him if he still suffers. if he answers there is only peace and bliss and no more suffering. then yes he is liberated.

Are you still suffering and are in permanent peace? If NOT you are not enlightened and you still got work to do.

Self realization is the end of suffering. OP is not enlightened.

Can you still suffer from past and future worries? anxiety, depression etc? Are you in a permanent state of peace?

Daniel is not arahant. because arahant doesn't suffer anymore while daniel clearly (in other videos) said he still suffers.

No, I am not. You were on Reddit, and I know your site and YouTube video. Your profile gave you away . Anyway please don't say you are enlightened when you still can experience a little bit of suffering.

Winterknight, I remember you from 1-2 years ago. Back then when I asked you claimed to be liberated and when I asked you if you can still suffer, anxiety ,future worries. you said yes. Are you saying to me the shift back then wasn't final, and now it is and you can't ever suffer from those things anymore? Self realization, moksha, nirvana, liberation, enlightenment... attained that is THE END OF SUFFERING COMPLETELY. If you still experience psycholgical mental suffering in anyway, YOU are not enlightened!

What practice did you exactly do and how long i took you for liberation to happen?

Did you end suffering? are you in a state of permanent peace?

Did you end suffering? are you in a state of permanent peace?