Nadosa

Demonized? Thought isn't demonized. Just adressed. It is the most direct pointer. Have never seen Nahm saying "thought is bullshit, to hell with it!". The entire concept of talking and helping anyone getting "God realized" is totally senseless. No one can get God realized when he relies on others, or believing thoughts.

The thing is, as long as you rely on anyone but you, Nahm, Leo, any thoughts by "others", you will not understand what he is pointing to, and you always stay in the expectation to get "somewhere", no one will get you anywhere, but you, and that is what Nahm points to. But you rely on this guy as if he has any power over YOU. Nahm is a thought.

Just stop.

No. Nahm didnt charge a cent, at least for me. And we talked endlessly. Stop spreading this non-sense. What in the world was NOT PRACTICAL about his work? Meditation, expressing, the hell, what do you want more?

Same, Nahm was home for me. No shit, he saved me in most critical times, pointing out only I can save myself, guiding me to what I am, which is Love. It is a shame. People will wake up.

The problem is rather that you believe thoughts. Stop believing all non-sense, stop believing your thoughts and Leo's too. There is only you. But you think there are others thinking stuff for you and can put happiness/knowledge/understanding into you from the outside. Once you glimpse that the thoughts you believe including believing there is a Leo claiming thoughts - are not "true" nor can give YOU anything at all/or more than what already is...you can start create what you love.

Doesn't quite match with the topic here, but I have another question. For me it is the thought of a separate self that feels quite unsettling, even confusing. Like who is it that chooses, that wills, that is here, that lets go, that meditates, that wants to feel good, that was yesterday, that is tomorrow. I dont see that there was someone yesterday or even anyone, but I only see it when a certain pattern of thoughts that are about my person or identity arise - then there is this unsettling fear of not knowing who I am and who wants to enjoy life and feel good etc, because isnt this what Life is a about? But what if the main character just doenst exist? Even tho it doesnt, it stills fears that it doesnt exist, which doesnt make sense. Ultimately I feel like a completely identity-less dude. Not in a depersonalized way. And then I want to just sit still and my mind is instantly turning it into "ah alright, you meditate because you want to feel better, but there is no one to whom feeling better refers." Which leads to extreme feelings of Powerlessness and not having Control over anything. I feel quite powerless, because WHO chooses to feel better? To meditate? Why should one meditate if there is no one to meditate? But how are those thoughts dealt with then? Like you cant deal with them, but mind wants to frame it as if "I want to get out of and cure smth", which ultimately feels like this feeling better just isn't in my hands, I mean in the hands of a separate self. Basically following identity issue is present: confusing patterns of about a separate identity --> i feel fear --> then mind starts to wonder about how I can overcome the separate self thoughts --> feels off, as if there is no one that can "get over them" --> Feeling of Powerlessness

I also witnessed my brother and mother verbally abusing each other to the point where I've threatened to take my life because it was so energy taking for me. Of course it was repressed despair. I didnt know how to translate and express my Powerlessness and Despair over the Situation. It was too much for that lil boy. I wrote letters and stuff and cried a lot... Actually don't know if it helped. What really helped was realizing what Love is. For me the scars are there, just more loved unconditionally. It is been very very tough tho. I would let go of control completely and realizing I have absolutely no control whatsoever was quite fearful. Ultimately there is only You and your Will. The question is, are you willing to face yourself fully?

Whose quote is that?

Maann just stay true and leave it online. I was at the 59 min mark.

Dude I know what you are going through. Totally believing this proves that there is a really high chance that you could see the "Antidote" so to speak, seeing that you are doing this. How do you see that? In realizing what is absolutely true about you. What is there to do? Nothing but sitting on a bench and seeing that there is God at its play and regaining "God's will" so to speak. It is hard to put it into words. Basically sit down and watch everything play out on its own *in you*. After 30 mins there should be a subtle recognition that you are the only one and all is happening within you. And then you say byebye to thoughts that feel discordant.

What cured my panic attacks was seeing this is all me, thoughts are just watched by consciousness and there is no one but me, realizing that completely cured it. There is no "second you" having a panic attack. This is all happening "within you", so to speak.

Let the spiritual ego battles begin. Love you anyways. ?

As for Spira: Claudia: We project the world we perceive, but what about the other minds that enter our projected world? Rupert: Other minds do not enter our projected world. The world is a perception. The mind is the current thought. A thought does not enter or appear in a perception. All perceptions and thoughts ‘enter’ or ‘appear in’ consciousness. In fact, they do not enter or appear in consciousness. There is nothing outside of consciousness that could enter it. The substance of all appearances is only consciousness, and that is ever-present. Do minds attract each other to share or influence each other’s projections? There are no minds as such. That is, the mind which is considered to be a vast container of all out thoughts, memories, hopes, desires and fears is never experienced. Only the current thought or image is experienced.

Ramana Maharshi, was once asked, “How should we treat others?” He replied, “There are no others.”

What is the point tho? If it is frustration, express the emotion.

"Finding happiness in my thoughts" is another thought ? You dont go anywhere. To seek and rely on the term "everlasting happiness" is not going to work. Everlasting happiness is a thought. Because as soon as you believe "this is it", you tend to state chase it back. Your pleasure is sourced neither in meditation, nor in any other practise...but in you. Sadghuru asked: is there any distance from yourself to yourself? Really inspect this. It takes one moment. From there on, take on your journey - it's all an act of Love from there, practise how much you want. Rupert Spira: "In our true nature, our action doesn't come from resistance" Then you will really know what meditation is.

Do you find happiness in the future? Or in a future state?

Why do you want enlightenment? Who investigates into whose thoughts? There is no separate self.

See you are. There is no state. There is you + thoughts about states. There is no inherent separate you that has states. There is no technique. There is you + thoughts that are about a future + state chasing. To meditate is to see there in only you. No practise needed.

By all means. And I dont want to dismiss by any means the struggles of your girlfriend. But one has to outweigh what really feels good vs. spiritual bypassing in concepts. Spirituality as theory wont do shit for anyone if not understood.

But meditation is exactly facing that, isn't it? Investigate: What differentiates you from Meditation? Meditation is you. You are talking like meditation is a practise or some sort of escape. No it is exactly facing everything here and now. Surrender to God.

'The absolute acceptance is Buddhahood, that’s why Buddhas never suffer, it’s all the same for them, they are always happy. The road from understanding it to knowing it is paved with tears, don’t be afraid to cry! The eyes full of tears can see the truth. One cannot appreciate the fragility of life before one knows its futility. It’s connected. The less futile one imagines life to be, the more meaning one assigns to it, the more callous disregard one will have for its fragility. Up to the point of sending their children to death for the ideas of family legacy, Game of Thrones style. Fragility of life cannot be truly appreciated for as long as its futility is not. That’s why the morality of a Buddha is the absolute morality, it’s the complete reversal of the morality of the ego. From egoic perspective, Buddhas are immoral, because they don’t care about all this “very important” stuff that ego cares about, such as honor, prestige, bravery, family values, or different forms of tribalism. But from the perspective of a Buddha, egos are immoral, because by caring about all this stuff they become cruel and callous. For a Buddha, life itself is the ultimate value, the highest value, the only value, no other values are even possible. The body is all there is, everything else is entertainment, a joke. But ego takes it all very seriously, and that’s what makes humans different from animals - our insane acts of cruelty, coming from the utter confusion about life.' - Artem Boytsov

The harsh Truth is. And many "awakened poeple" brush it off with their "immortality"...Life is fragile. And being happy with its fragility brings about peace.

..the man was knocking from the inside.?