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You don’t describe the methodology or actions for this step. How would you go about waking up a systemic racism denier? Without the methodology and action toward actual progress, it becomes Jordan Peterson-esque “concern” for progressives, which allows for the continuation of status quo.

This fear is reflective of the misunderstanding some cis-gender people have about gender. They think a man is going to put on a dress and makeup, then say “I’m a woman” and go into women’s restrooms to spy for his jollies. This is a misunderstanding of gender.

Denying the earth is spherical, climate change and microbes exist are also ‘behaviors’, yet I wouldn’t call it an “important and valid perspective”. Its important to move beyond these denials to make progress.

That is not like what I’m saying. That is your construct and you are conflating. To me, you don’t seem open to contemplating what I communicate.

It can be super hard to communicate to certain minds. The notion of “artificial” and “natural” don’t even exist. The notion of “real” vs “imagined” doesn’t exist. Coming back down, I’ve found it amazing to watch the mind kick back in and start creating constructs again.

Yes, they are all imaginary. My point is that strict “male” or “female” gender is also imaginary. That is what many cis-gender people have a hard time understanding. They think that my male-ness is obviously real and their nonbinary-ness must be an imaginary identity. Yet one’s traditional “male” gender identity is just as imaginary as a transgender or nonbinary identity. This can be uncomfortable and scary for some cis-gender people to realize. For me, it was super cool because it opened up some new avenues of exploration and fluidity.

Transcending chimpness, doesn’t necessary mean chimpness is destroyed or dissolved. Transcendence can be expansion and integration, similar to other characteristics in SD. There can be new sexual energetics that arise with things like yoga, tantra, meditation, eye gazing, creating art, dance, mystical sessions - sexual elements that flow independent of, or in conjunction with, traditional chimp-level physical elements. Yet when one is contracted within chimp-ness, these energetics wouldn’t appear. If they did, it wouldn’t be considered “sexual”.

It’s interesting how some minds are locked into a strict binary gender construct and think anything outside the two normal genders is an imaginary identity. Yet they cannot see their own gender to which they subconsciously identify is just as imaginary. Generally they have been raised in a society dominated with two strict gender categories and their own relative experience is within one of these gender categories. This to them is normal and anything outside of these two categories would be an imaginary identity (since it would be an imaginary identity if they were to do it). In terms of SD, high green / yellow would have an understanding of ones own relative experience and relating that to a different relative experience of another. One of Orange’s big resistances to this is to define gender as two distinct categories based on physical attributes, such as genitalia.

In terms of charisma and public energy, it’s AOC hands down. She was by far the biggest progressive endorsement for Bernie and saved his campaign. Bernie was down and out after his heart attack and AOC single handedly revitalized his campaign and even made him the front runner. When AOC stumped for Bernie, she was a legit star. She can draw huge crowds and gave high quality speeches that strongly resonated with the crowd. She has Robert Kennedy and Obama level skills and resonance. She was more of a headline speaker than Bernie. The only other person that even comes close is Cornell West, yet he obviously not a successor. Omar had a many good flashes yet is not on AOC’s level. AOC is also very good at doing her homework and exposing the hypocrisy and corruption of others - via twitter, speeches and congressional hearing. Her smack down speech of Yoho’s misogyny was legendary and she has eviscerated plutocrats. And she destroyed her opponent in a debate (although it was a weak opponent). And she is very good on policy. There are other good progressives on policy like Nina Turner, Jayapal, Khanna etc. Yet no one comes close to AOC’s broad range of skills, charisma and ability to resonate with the public - especially with GenZ and Millennials. She has mentioned she may walk away from congress some day if she thinks she can make greater contributions in other areas and she has never expressed ambitions of becoming a senator or president. Yet I can see her becoming president in 10 years or so. A lot of boomers will have died off and GenZ and Millennials will be the major voting bloc. Plus the country will likely be more Green. Her rise has been so fast that I could see her potentially running in 2024 if the country continues to worsen under corporate plutocracy and corruption. She is by far the biggest ‘change’ candidate, imo.

Believing there are zero risks in fully embracing and promoting BLM is a naive view. It’s definitely not my experience, what I’ve learned from others within the movement and what I’ve observed in various sectors of society. There are many risks ranging from minor to severe. There are many people and institutions (including my own) that are having debates regarding the risks and benefits of associating / promoting BLM as well as to what extent they should do so.

By that logic vitamins are artificial. It seems like an arbitrary definition of “artificial” to me since we are constantly ingesting chemicals from our environment that give us abilities we would otherwise lack.

Natural vs Artificial is your creation. Meditation can also be considered artificial. Eating food is artificial. Breathing in oxygen is artificial. . .

I’ve gone to protests and have had long conversations with protestors. What you are describing is not consistent with what I learned from them. From my POV, you are missing something.

According to traditional constructs of ‘perception’ and ‘mind’, one could say that Love cannot be perceived without a mind. Within the parameters of that construct, it is true.

I think that is possible, especially if things get more painful with the Covid, racial and wealth inequality crises. Before long, there will be millions of homeless people on one side of the street looking at millions of empty apartments on the other side of the street. That is untenable. I think Joe is much more sympathetic to progressive issues than Trump. I think progressives are much better off fighting Biden for change than Trump. I think Biden has some sense of empathy and open-mindedness. He isn’t a sadistic, narcissistic sociopath like Trump. That seems to be the best campaign slogan for Biden.

Any construct of Love your mind creates is a subset of Love.

Do you think a mind-body with a baseline autistic orientation is at a disadvantage to understanding Love compared to a mind-body with a baseline empathetic orientation?

@Parththakkar12 I would say in some contexts, allowing safe space for someone to grow is beneficial. As I’ve worked through my subconscious racial biases, those around me offered safe space to work through conditioned beliefs and patterns of behavior. If I was judged as a racist and shamed, I may have taken things personally and retreated. Yet for this dynamic to occur, there needs to be some openness and desire to learn and grow. Many people that have power and benefit from inequalities do not want to surrender power. I also think marginalization and anti-racism action can be helpful. If I became aware of my subconscious racial biases and continued to consiciously express them and undercut societal progress toward equality, that is a very different context and should be handled differently, imo. In this context, the person needs to get called out and their harmful behavior marginalized as socially unacceptable. As well, there may need to be consequences. The difficulty is which power dynamics. How can someone without power hold someone with power accountable? This is one of the inequalities many people are protesting today and have protested throughout history. I like the metaphor that All Bones Matter in my body. If the doctor tells me that my femur bone is broke and I need a cast to help it heal, it would be absurd for me to respond “No!! All the bones in my body matter!! I refuse to wear a cast!!”. My Dad was a lifelong NFL and college football fan. Every weekend in Autumn revolved around football. He stopped watching football in outrage after players were allowed to take a knee. He canceled his All Access football subscription to “send a message”. He sees kneeling football players as anti-American. It’s absurd. I think part of the problem is his only news source is FoxNews.

How would you work with someone who denies the existence of systemic racism and is enabling systemic racism by undercutting efforts toward greater equality?

Your beliefs of what’s true. Perhaps psychedelics are simply “a materialistic method of altering mental states by using chemical compounds.”. Maybe there is more that you are missing.

@Nak Khid Perhaps you are right and have seen it all, perhaps you are missing something.

A few trips are generally insufficient for a hyper intellectual materialist mind. The mind can be amazingly resilient. I was fortunate in that I took a very high dose my first trip and it shattered my intellectual materialist paradigm. I was never able to fully return to it. Yet I am a rare case. Most minds can get fully re-grounded and 50+ trips are often needed. You are correct within your belief network. I am not challenging that. I am saying it is limited and you are missing something. Yet then again, maybe I’m just some woo woo keyboard fairy. . .

You say that as if it’s true. Maybe you are missing something. Why not find out for yourself through direct experimentation?

Notice that you are creating your own standard of evidence to prove a construct you have created. I’ve met many people I consider to be at an extremely high level of conscious that have used psychedelics - yet they wouldn’t qualify under your criteria of “prominent” an author of books or “enlightened”. You are greatly limiting yourself. As well, it matters little of how one judge others. The direct experience is of higher value than any type of constructs others create. The way to find out if psychedelics can be used for a tool toward your imagination of “enlightenment” is to actually get the experience. Take 50 trips and see for yourself. That direct experience knowing comes prior to the explanations of others. And what you consider to be “enlightenment” may radically change.

This is the key. Peter has created a destination of value to pursue. Within his creation, he is correct. Yet notice the limitation: within the destination Peter has created and within his experiential memories he is correct.