Forestluv

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An enemy requires separation. There is no separation in a self-actualized life. All is within the whole.

A hallmark of Tier1 thinking is demonizing other groups within Tier 1 thinking.

@Tony 845 I’ve found direct experience of more value than intellectual descriptions. Direct experience is not as limited.

And the biologist does not throw away the microscope. He returns to see more. Then leaves, then returns. There is wisdom in knowing when, and how long, to sit with the microscope.

This seems to suggest I am a blank screen and external stimuli enter to color the blank screen with images, sounds etc. This feels like a degree of separation. An anolgy closer to nonduality would be there is a blank screen from which pixels arise. The screen and pixels are one. Rupert Spira uses screen analogies a lot.

For me, the downsides of psychedelics: 1. Insomnia 2. Nausea 3. Social ignorance/stigma. I wish there were social psychedelic groups like there are yoga groups. 4. Length of trip. With trips lasting 5+ hours, I pretty much need to devote a whole day. Plus, starting in the afternoon/night would keep me up all night with insomnia. I’ve found a balanced spiritual practice to be 1-2 psychedelic trips per month, daily meditation, yoga 6x per week and shamanic breathing once per week.

@MarkusSweden The ego loves playing the “ego or no ego” game because it keeps itself (ego) relevant.

If you let go of all thoughts and ideas, what would there be?

Yes, a great way to describe it. For me, it also has a liquid / fluid sense to it.

More isn’t always “better”. I start blacking out over 30mg.

1) Absolute infinity is everything. Like really, really, *really* everything. It includes everything imaginable. There is no thing separate from everything. If a limited mind imagines a thing outside of absolute infinity, the mind expands to include it within absolute infinity. In the above example, there are two limited ideas of infinity within absolute infinity. Or, one could say there are two limited “absolute infinities” within an “absolute absolute infinity”. But then couldn’t there be two “absolute absolute infinities?” Now we expand to an absolute, absolute, absolute infinity. One could keep expanding for an infinite number of “absolutes”. Or, one could simply use the term “absolute infinity” as *really* meaning everything. The intellect is within absolute infinity. That’s why absolute infinity cannot be intellectualized. Any thought or concept is within absolute infinity. Although the concept of two absolute infinities may seem expansive relative to more contracted concepts - it’s actually contracted relative to more expansive concepts. And those more “expansive” concepts are within absolute infinity. In a relative world, expanding the mind intellectually can feel good and lead to a more balanced, healthier life experience. Yet so can eating a healthier diet and exercise. None of it brings a person any closer to absolute infinity because it’s all within absolute infinity. Humans have this ingrained mindset/bodyset that the mind-body is separate from absolute infinity. Is if absolute infinity is somewhere “out there” to be figured out or found. That’s why I don’t like the image I get when people say “you can only point to it” - to me, that puts me in a mindset that “it” is somewhere out there. Having direct experience with absolute infinity is much more impactful IME.

Last weekend I did a 60min. float after eating a 15mg THC edible. Recently I felt the urge to enter a meditative space without sensory perception. I know floats are not everyone's cup of tea, yet for me they can provide quasi-mystical states. This float offered some insight into concepts of pre-birth, extrasensory perception and evolution. When I fully let go of thoughts and concepts, my awareness was inside a womb. The only sound and sensation in the tank was the beating of my heart. It was very pronounced. It was as if it wasn't my heart. Just a heartbeat as if I was in a womb. Then, all this insight about what went into creating my mind-body. It started with my mom's body. All of her experiences, thoughts and emotions. Then everything in her environment. All of her friends co-workers. All the activity in life: parties, political unrest, trips, home repairs. . . Then all the input that went into that input. It kept expanding into infinity. In this expanded state, there was a voice that said "Ask me anything you want". I asked "what is genuine" and I was shown genuine. I asked what is "intuition" and I was shown intuition. I saw that intuition is a sense that is evolving in humans and one day will be as clear and distinct as our vision or hearing. I felt a yearning from the source of intuition, that it wanted to rise and evolve in humans. I had insight that evolution is not simply random mutations (this goes against my training as a geneticist).

She is a great example of advanvced Green. Perhaps transitioning into Yellow.

@Leo-Tzu I would trust your authenticity and be genuine. Follow your intuition and inner desires. I wouldn't worry so much about what defines different stages. Some people feel a deep inner calling at a young age. Adyashanti was just a kid when he began feeling called to enlightenment/turquoise. You may have already had a few peeks into turqoise without intellectually knowing it. When I was younger, I had a few mystical experiences that I dismissed as being "wooo wooo and irrational".

@Viking IME, sexuality isn't binary - it is a continuum with many flavors.

@Leo-Tzu I was centered in Orange for a long time - and I have never been materialistic. I've never been driven for money. My Orange was about personal goal setting, science and rational/logical thinking. I was solid Orange without ever having a nice car, high paying job, fancy clothes etc. You say "deep down i feel i have to pursue more turquoise kind of pleasures ". I don't think the turquoise experiences are the type of pleasures you imagine them to be.

@Simon Håkansson I was centered in stage Orange for a looong time (30 yrs). The goal-setting, the striving for achievements, degrees, publications and titles. After I was tenured at my college, the seeking for personal achievement dissolved. It just wasn't giving me a meaningful life. I had been very independent and self-sufficient. Then I started getting the sense that I was one in a community. I learned spanish and lived in poor communities in central and south america. I started noticing how other people were being treated unjustly. I noticed how disadvantaged kids don't have access to an education. I started dating women outside my race and had direct experience with racism. I began realizing my white privilege. I felt empathy toward those disadvantaged. I began making friends with progressives and we would rant against close-minded republicans, FoxNews, racists, my parents etc. I started watching shows like the Majority Report. I felt desire to help the disadvantaged. I changed my courses to teach about inequality, I joined our diversity committee. Most of my transition was driven by direct experience and emotions.

@pluto8 Adyashanti's free ebook: The Way of Liberation is the best introductory guide to meditation I've read. It's short and to the point. https://d1c742hwzmv7ke.cloudfront.net/library/The_Way_of_Liberation_Ebook.pdf

I've done about five sessions over the last two weeks. At first, it seemed silly and odd. My hands clenched and my arms and face were tense and tingly. I thought this is just hyperventilating - the kind of thing we did as kids to get loopy. The third or fourth session was a game-changer. I went deep into repressed memories of the body. In particular, being told tens of thousands of times that "You're not good enough! You're not doing it right! You screwed it up again!". Each time I had acted with good intentions and tried to please the other person. Yet, over and over again being told by teachers and parents I was a screw up. Then dating girlfriend after girlfriend of continuous criticism as I tried to make things ok. I've dealt with this mentally years ago, I understand it mentally and have helped other walk through it. Yet, apparently my body remembers and is not too happy about it. The shamanic breathing turned primal, animal. I have no idea how fast or deep I was breathing, what time it was, if my nose and throat were dry etc. I went into this zone - a mixture of anger and "enough already"! It got intense. Tears streamed down the side of my face. Not tears of joy or relief. It was just another way the trapped energy was seeping out of my body. Upon cessation, there was a lot of tension in my arms. I layed there for about 20min as the tension slowly seeped from my body. The next session, I revisited an Ayahuasca retreat I did last year. I was like I met Mother Aya for a bit to discuss some of the experience and how I've integrated it into my life. I've noticed some members compare shamanic breathing to tripping. I've had many trips on about 8 different psychedelics. So far, I would say the mindspace is like a half-step to a trip. Perhaps a bit milder than a weak psychedelic like Ald-52. Yet, the bodyspace of shamanic breathing is quite strong for me.

@peanutspathtotruth I've recently started shamanic breathing and it's like a half-step to a psychedelic mindspace. For me, the shamanic breathing has a strong body component and a moderate mind component (relative to psychedelics). This was the first time I tried shamanic breathing as prep work. During the breathing, I revisited an Aya ceremony I attended last year. It was a rough ride as I struggled for control. During the shamanic breathing, there was an image that arose of me in a room with a wise teacher, like Mother Aya. I was asked if I was genuine and sincere about entering, because once I entered I couldn't leave. I had flashbacks of trips in which I wanted out, but couldn't make it stop. Here, some anxiety arose that I would be trapped in the room. There was a voice that said "Don't do it! This is going to be like those scary trip reports on actualized. Trust your intuition - Don't do it". This was balanced with memories that 5-meo-dmt has always seemed gentle to me and that I have had glimpses beyond self that were not scary. I think this tug-of-war led to a sense of humility and genuineness entering the trip. Right after the 5-meo trip, I saw the sense of discomfort on other trips was due to the sense of separation. As if the psychedelic removed all my mechanisms to cope with a sense of a finite self. So all that remained was finite self energy facing oneness - very uncomfortable. Here, the finite self seemed to completely dissolve - including all ideas, concepts and memories - for both mind and body. It's indescribable because it was beyond any concept, thought or feeling. As I came down, insights into my "character" emerged. There was no identification with the character - as if a larger entity grew a tentacle to experience itself. I don't know how to integrate this into my life. The revelation seemed so simple, easy and obvious. Like I have always know this. Yet, I had been living immersed in a manufactured reality my whole life. I must have been self delusional. I had considered myself very open-minded to the Truth. As my finite self returns, the question arises "What is self delusion? And will it return with the finite self?"

5-meo-dmt report: 20min. of shamanic/holotropic breathing, then plugged 27mg 5-meo-dmt. I'm at a loss for words to describe it. So expansive. It was like all the programming of concepts and beliefs vanished. No thoughts. No "me". Just everything. My mind is curious why the experience was so obvious, ordinary and ho-hum. Yet at the same time, beyond anything the mind can fathom. During the comedown my mind-body felt like a sensory unit for a vast organism. There was curiosity about parts of the body and interacting with objects. It was a radically different perspective. Like I had never been exposed to anything before. It was as if a higher entity was experiencing itself through my mind-body. Yet, the higher entity was so far beyond what an intellect can imagine. There was awareness that human beings create stories in an attempt to cope their thin sliver of perception of the whole. Scientists seemed like children trying to figure out how the parts of a toy work. As the self and human perception returned, there was some confusion as I went back and forth between the whole and a finite self. My mind questioned how I could possibly return to interact with people and work a job. Hours later, there was a sense that concepts and language could be used as a tool in life and put back on the shelf when no longer needed. Other trips with psychedelics seemed to highlight an aspect of the whole, such as the eternal moment or self-object. Here, I seemed to dissolve in the one. The realities humans create appeared so contracted and tiny. For now, the desire to figure out is gone and there is a wanting to return home. For the oneness to be and experience via it's mind-body. Yet, remnants of the finite self return. For now, there is awareness of the finite self, yet also a foreboding sense of dread that it will reassemble itself.

@Sashaj It sounds like you are entering the “observer + object” stage. For me, I just got to know the observer. Then there was an energetic shift from seeking outside of myself to a wanting to experience the presence more deeply

I see trauma. He didn’t choose to kill 17 people. It could not have been prevented. It happened exactly as it was “supposed” to. Regarding the shooting. On one level it’s amazingly simple: a happening appeared. On another level its amazingly complex: the appearance involved an infinite amount of input.

@Miguel Oliveira Shamanic/holotropic breathing has been the most effective bodywork for me. It has revealed and released body memories and blockages/tension.