Forestluv

It’s not a response to something else. It’s not like feeling bad for a friend . It’s like a oneness with someone. One time, I met a kid with autism. We connected and I went into empathy mode. I experienced a sense of being trapped in my head. There were concepts and thoughts that wanted to be expressed but unable to be expressed. This kid was unable to express his thoughts and feelings. He was trapped. I experienced the frustration, anxiety and isolation. Meanwhile, his mother is telling me about how he has episodes of emotional outbursts and self harm. She talks about all the tests he has undergone and that the doctors are still trying to fugure it out. She yabbers on about some theory while I’m experiencing strong anxiety of being trapped in my head, just like this kid. I knew what he was going through and why he acted out like he did. I wanted to act the same way.

Awesom!! It’s cool hearing a Turqoise perspective in a deep blue environment.

Oooh no. It’s like another sense. Your eyes are tuned in to certain frequencies of light. Your hearing is tuned into a different frequency range. Intuition is tuned into a different frequencies range. Imagine back in evolution when we had poorly developed vision. The world appeared cloudy, we could only see poorly formed shaddows. It’s kind of feels like that with intuition. I’m still developing it.

I would consider that as sympathy. Empathy is extrasensory. An empathetic experience is an expression of nonduality. A form of oneness. Most of my life, I repressed my empathetic system. It was a distraction from my Orange-level pursuits. Emapthy got in the way of pursuing personal awards, grants. degrees, titles, recognition etc. A couple years ago, I transitioned into the Green stage and became aware of an empathy system. I’ve worked to develop this sense and I have made a lot of progress. I can receive empatheic information at times communicating with others. I’m still at a begginer stage and I can get overwhelmed at times. Like I actually experience what another is experiencing- it could be insecurity, fear, anger, joy. I actually have their experience. About a month ago, my friends and I were walking through a city. I made eye contact with a young homeless woman. All of a sudden I went into empathy mode and was overcome with absolute despair. I experienced the despair of her new meth addiction. I experienced depths of loneliness, having noone to turn to. It was overwhelming. Yet, I don’t want uncomfortable experiences like that to prevent me from developing empathic skills.

That’s not what I’ve been working with. It’s intuition as intuition. Intuition and thinking are two different modes, yet can communicate with each other. Similiar to vision and hearing. Most people seem to have a poorly developed, or repressed, intuition system.

I had a powerful experience in a sensory deprivation tank with one word: Genuine. It was mindblowing.

@Jack River Thought is an impulse. Intuition is also an impulse. There can be empathy impulses. They all contribute to the experience. They are like different languages. Sometimes one is more prominent than another. Other times it’s a mixture. I went to an art festival last weekend and was in an empathic operating mode. As I look back on it, thinking wasn’t much if the experience. Other times, I go into thinking mode. Thinking is a handy tool sometimes. Occasionally I speak with no thought. It’s just speaking. It’s weird and cool at the same time

I mean that no thought enters. A person is aware and is in awe for twenty seconds. The first thought that arises could have nothing to do with the view. It could be “I’m hungry” and then a train of thoughts about lunch arises. I would consider that event an experience - even though there were no thoughts associated with it. Sometimes I have stretches a few minutes without a thought. It still seems like an experience to me. Why do thoughts need to be part of experience?

If Yellow recognizes value in each stage, might Yellow engineer society such that some healthy Green, Orange and Blue remain? If everyone evolved to Yellow it would be a form of extinction, since there is no retrograde evolution. Grey and Purple are nearly extinct. Perhaps Blue and Orange will go extinct as well. On the other hand, as more people reach Yellow, we may make many more Yellow distinctions and need to divide Yellow into six new stages. There wouldn’t be any loss of diversity and there would still be continuing spiritual development up the spiral.

There are many different delivery styles for public speaking. As well, there are various atmospheres fir the talk, including topic, audience, venue. In general, I like to have a good understanding of the material and speak casually with the audience - as if I’m having a great conversation with them. Often, unplanned ideas spontaneously arise and I roll with it. Like a jazz guitarist - there is the underlying framework as well as improvisation. Other speaking styles, like poetry jam, is highly structured - yet amazing as well. Rehearsed can gi over well as long as you don’t look and sound like a robot

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@Jack River Gotcha. How about something that doesn’t take skill? Imagine a person walking to the edge of the grand canyon. The moment they see the canyon they are awe-struck. Their jaw drops as they stand in awe for 10 seconds. Speechless and thoughtless. Would you consider this an experience? My perception is very mind-body oriented. It’s hard for me to conceptualize experience as mind thought. For example, intuition is on par with thought for me.

Would that be the mind remembering and creating memory? Imagine an athlete totally flowing and performing in the moment without thought. Would we consider this an experience? Afterwards, the athlete will think about it and interpet it and create memories. Would we consider this an experience? I’m not suggesting there is a right or wrong view. I’m just exploring concepts of what an experience is. I like contemplating things and becoming aware of more and more distinctions

Could experience be more expansive than thought? Could thought be within experience? Could experience be like a container that include thoughts, sensations, feelings and emotions?

I think experiences can lead to unconscious biases. Experiences can be very personal and subjective. Yet, is it possible to step outside our personal experience and view it objectively?

Different cultures have different ways of life that are true relative to that culture. For example: One culture would view eating insects as disgusting and animalistic. Another culture could view eating insects as a necessary part of their life to survive. Another culture could view eating insects as a delicacy. So which view is true? Well, they all are - what’s true is relative to the culture. Someone at the Green Stage would see this cultural relativism and believe that all these cultural views should have equality and inclusion. Yet, Green can get into thinking “I’m right. We should all treat these views as equal and include them in a multicultural community.”. A Green can see the cultural relativism, yet can’t see that their own beliefs about equality and inclusion is relative to them. They see their belief as true and orange/blue perspectives as wrong.

Stage green has cultural relativism

Yes. It’s nowhere to be found. It’s right here and now. We are always 0 steps from enlightenment.

This is an awesome thread, This is how we do it. Nice work.

How can anything be separate from everything? You and I are within everything. We are everything ☺️

Yes, the pursuit of enlightenment can be a nasty trap. For 20 years part of my core identity was someone walking down a spiritual path. In the first half, you seem to be speculating what an enlighten life might look like and if it’s worth it. I’ve found I have to keep surrending more and more of my ego. It takes trust in the process to do it. The enlightened teachers are amazing. It seems so true. So I try to trust more and more that it is true. I have also gone through phases where I have no motivation. It’s like the personal will had dissolved. Yet, over time a depper will emerged.

Both with and without. I was sooo deep into analysis and science. An Ayahuasca retreat with a tribe in Peru kicked my ego’s ass and opened an escape door.

Like I said, maybe you’ll be ready to surrender at some point. Until then, it’s round and round spinning your wheels.

@graded24 I can relate. I’m a science prof (genetics, developmental bio, neuroscience). There are plenty of members here up for some advanced coceptualization, so I’ll come right out and say it: If you are looking for what’s True, you will not be able to conceptualize it or understand it. You will not be able to put it into words. All theory, concepts and knowledge are WITHIN it. You will need to step outside of conceptualization and knowledge to see that conceptualization and knowledge is within something much more expansive. That’s been my experience.

Yes. It is no thing.