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@bejapuskas I would form a daily habit of a couple spiritual practices as a foundation. E.g. mediation and contemplation journaling. As well, I would get curious about various spiritual perspectives - without getting attached to any one perspective. Really try to imagine what their perspective is like. Hang out with people that have different perspectives than you. Read about different perspectives. Some perspectives will resonate with you, others wont.
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It's common in science yet not limited to science. It's rational/logical thinking. A rational-centered philosopher, construction worker, banker, wall street broker, pizza delivery guy etc. could dismiss a mystical experience as being irrational and woo woo. Last night I had a conversation with a woman that dismissed a paranormal experience she had as being irrational and woo woo. I asked her if we could pause and explore her direct experience. Perhaps this is an ability she has that is rudimentary (And I am the scientist). A couple weeks ago, my philosopher friend ripped into me about how my paranormal open-mindedness is completely irrational and how I've become one of those new agey woo woos I used to mock.
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Forestluv replied to Mezanti's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I only have a sliver of truth for you. And that is: all those beliefs are just ideas. Step outside the beliefs and observe them. You are more than beliefs. -
Forestluv replied to MM1988's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@MM1988 That’s all a distraction. It comes down to wether you want to know the truth or not. And the truth doesn’t care about wether you are happy or suffering. Only you can solve your maze. Afterall, you created it. Wanting to solve it is half the journey, -
Forestluv replied to Mezanti's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Ingit From one perspective, awreness comes prior to interpretation. I needed to let go of my attachments and indentification to my interpretations to awaken and become aware that they are interpretations. It’s been a never-ending process for me. It keeps going deeper and deeper. I feel like I’m on level 62 and I have no idea how many levels there are. -
Forestluv replied to Uchira's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
IME, it can be disruptive to personal development Psychedelics have led me to deeply question the nature of my existence and reality. It has beaten up and fragmented my personality. Yet, I have the sense that I’m beginning to see what lies beneath the personality - that which is true. Based on my experience, I would recommend psychedelics for truth seeking - but not for personality growth and development. Imagine watching a movie and getting immersed into the movie. . . Would you rather allow the characters to continue developing or that a bright light be shined on the movie so you can see it’s a movie screen? Psychedelics are that bright light. They show you the nature of reality - not how to develop a character. That’s been my experience. There are many other experiences out there. -
Forestluv replied to Mezanti's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Mezanti However long it takes you to start letting go. It could be now, two months or two years from now. -
Forestluv replied to Tistepiste's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yet, at times the deconstruction process seems very illogical - as if I am going insane. Did I just suddenly appear in this living room? Have I appeared in this room countless times for a reason I am unaware of? Are all my memories merely programned into this mind? Are people just a figment of my imagination? Or are people living out their program? Are they unaware that their program even exists? Am I the only one aware of this? Deeply questioning one’s existence and reality to the point that these questions become the experience - it can feel insane. Does recognizing that this is an insane mind render the person sane? -
Forestluv replied to Barna's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I encourage you to experience ego death to better understand surrender. Try resisting surrender and see how it goes for you. -
I’m not fully enlightened. Yet my enlightenment experiences involved fully surrending everything. All desires, control, beliefs, identity. Everything. That’s just my experience tho. There could be other paths to enlightenment that I’ve never encountered.
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Forestluv replied to Sven's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
During the comeup of a few trips - as distinctions melted away - it made no difference if I stabbed myself or drank a glass of water. I’m not sure if this is along the lines of what you’re describing. What you wrote reminded me of it. -
Forestluv replied to luckieluuke's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
IME, ego death experiences have not brought ambition, purpose, energy or stuff to look forward to. Nonduality doesn’t care about that stuff at all. It doesn’t care about “me” at all. Ego death dissolves the self. It doesn’t empower it. If I was looking for ambition and purpose, I would do a workshop or course. I’d work on personal development, values, goal setting etc. -
Forestluv replied to Sven's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Forestluv replied to Antonius's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Standard psychedelics provide lots of lessons. I've tripped about 50 times on 4-Aco-Dmt and LSD. I also did a fair amount of research. IME 4-Aco-Dmt is not a weaker psychedelic, nor is it a lesser psychedelic. I put them on the same level. (I would consider Ald-52 as a weaker psychedelic). And from what I've read, I don't have the impression that 4-Aco-Dmt is considered weaker by the psychedelic community. IME, both 4-Aco-Dmt and LSD can be "possessive". They have the power to take over whether I like it or not. Both substances have induced anxiety within me. For me, Ald-52 and San Pedro are much gentler. There are two schools of thought: start with a low dose and gradually work your way up. Or, start with a high dose and breakthrough. For me, the comeup before breaking through can give me anxiety (as I lose control). Yet, once I break through there is no anxiety or fear (because there is noone to have anxiety or fear). After the peak, I don't experience anxiety on the comedown (because I am regaining control). -
Very nice. The other day I was contemplating "What is a thought?" and "From where does a thought arise?". I realized that other people place thoughts in my mind and I place thoughts into other minds (from a dualistic perpective). For example, every time I send a text, I am placing a thought/image into the recipients mind. Wow!! Then I thought about what types of thoughts would I like to offer to other minds? What type of thoughts do I like to receive?
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Forestluv replied to Gazic's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@FrgttnDeer Now we're talkin'!!! Let's take off the training wheels and take it to the next level Imagine communication in which no one needs to explain themself. Communication in which there is never a misunderstanding. . . -
Forestluv replied to Barna's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Barna I think it's more about surrender than courage. Yet, I suppose it takes courage to surrender. -
Forestluv replied to SoonHei's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@SoonHei For me, the difference is whether I continue to struggle with it or not. -
@Outer It goes deeper. Not just having no thought/belief during meditation (knowing full well that I can stop the meditation and have thoughts/beliefs again). Imagine having no thought/belief and being powerless to stop it. This isn't just a meditation exercise that one can stop. This will go on forever. No thought, no belief - forever. It can be absolutely terrifying and absolutely liberating.
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Forestluv replied to Gazic's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Imagine life 600 years ago. No electricity, no phones, cars, cameras, computers, internet, no books. No idea that microbes like bacteria exist. . . They pretty much just had some farm equipment, cooking bowls, eating utensils, swords and armor. Life was about war with others, sex, eating and pooping. Imagine someone from that time frame entering 2018. It would be so mindblowing different that their brain wouldn't be able to adjust to 600 years in 6 minutes and they would go insane. Now imagine someone from 2018 goes back and tries to explain what life will be like in 600 years. Most of it would be incomprehensible to them. The little bit they could somewhat understand would seem like magic and supernatural to them. Are we not in the same position now? Wouldn't life in 2618 be incomprehensible to us? Wouldn't it be so mindblowing that we would go insane? I can't even imagine what it could be like - whatever it is would seem like magic and supernatural to us now. I'll try to imagine. . . perhaps people will experience multiple realities simultaneously. Perhaps people will communicate without spoken language. Language is so limiting - this new form of communication would be beyond anything we can comprehend. And it isn't spoken. Well how the fuck is it transmitted? Who knows, we can't comprehend it now. Perhaps there will be additional senses we can't imagine. Humans would have centuries to adjust to this - yet imagine time traveling to 2618 and experiencing all this. Most likely, the mind would not be able to adjust to 600 years of progress in 6 minutes and would go insane. Who knows if our current imaginations of ESP will pan out. Yet, there will be phenomena that appears that would look like magic or supernatural to us now. Not just little stuff. Mind blowing big stuff. All the stuff we speculate about now is child's play compared to what shall actually appear. . . -
Forestluv replied to Tistepiste's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
"If you make human company too important you will not discover your true Self. Relationships not based in Truth are never entirely reliable and are rarely enduring. Taking time to discover yourself is the best use of time. Prioritise this. One should not excessively seek partners or friends, one should seek to know and be oneself. As you begin to awaken to the Truth, you start noticing how well life flows by itself and how well you are cared for. Life supports the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual needs of the one who is open to self-discovery. Trust opens your eyes to the recognition of this. Surrender allows you to merge in your own eternal being." ~ Mooji I love these types of spiritual teachings. Yet, I also need to be aware of seeking energy. One can interpret this teaching that there is "something" to be found in the timeline. I.e. "I should do this. . . ", "I should not do this". . . "If I seek, one day I will find and I will know". It's easy for me to get into a mindset that there is "something" to be attained. That there is some type of "destination" or "experience". This can lead to the idea that if I make the right "choices" I will discover or experience it. From one perspective, this seems valid. It seems like my practice has led to what seems like a discovery or experience. This is some great stuff that I welcome, embrace and enjoy. Yet, there is another type of awakening that is never found in the timeline. It is not a new concept, understanding, knowing or experience. One doesn't need to go anywhere or do anything. The thought that one needs to go somewhere or do something is a distraction for this awakening to what "IS" - right here and now. It sounds so simple and the mind wants to dismiss it - yet it's deeply profound. It cannot be found in the timeline. It can only be found here and now. It is eternally present and you cannot escape it. It can be terrifying and liberating. Yet, it is very unpalatable to the mind and the mind will seek to get somewhere else. It will seek to find something. To figure it out. To understand and experience. I spent over 20 years on a "spiritual path". Countless hours of meditation, lots of readings, lots of spiritual teachers, dharma talks, retreats, discussions within the Sangha, the statues, the bowing, the chanting, traveling to foreign countries. I finally reached a place of deep frustration and disappointment. And gave up. When the above realization entered - I didn't know whether to be joyful, sad or angry. It was the cruelest joke I could ever have imagined. The hardest part to accept was that it was there with me the whole time - all 20+ years. Yet, I couldn't see it with a seeking mindset. -
That's been my experience as well. Going all the way and fully surrendering the self is no small feat. That means anything could happen. You may quit your job and move to a village in a third world country, you may leave your family and children, you may become homeless, you may become insane, you may end up in a mental institution, you may become ostracized by the community. Very very few people are willing to fully surrender and open up all possibilities: in part, because they fear the "negative" outcomes. I've never met anyone that went all they way. The nice thing about psychedelics is you can temporarily experience full surrender and full ego-death. One thing I'm working on is attachment to beliefs and thoughts. Sometimes, I get the sense that thoughts in my head are "more right" than other people's thoughts. Even the thought in this thread that "most people want a little Enlightenment mixed with a little Ego". I can still sense a little bit of identification - that this thought is "more right" than the thought that "most people want full enlightenment and to surrender the ego".
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Forestluv replied to isabel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@isabel There are lots of different forms of meditation. You can just sit in awareness of everything, you could meditate on a concept like "love", you could stare at a candle, have music in the background etc. Beginners often have difficulty with just sitting aware in emptiness. Lots of thoughts and feelings pop up. It gets uncomfortable sitting on the couch. If your engage in mental chatter, meditation can be counter-productive. For beginners, having something to ground the mind-body can be helpful. The most common grounding is the breath. You can count your breaths or think "rising" on the inhale and "falling" on the exhale. Or you could tap your thumb tip to each finger tip on one hand, then the next hand. Or you can chant to keep you grounded. -
@Nervewracking It’s all relative. We all depend on society to some degree. Most people find it meaningful to make sone type of contribution to society. Your level and type of contribution is up to you.
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Forestluv replied to tashawoodfall's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@tashawoodfall To me, what you’ve wrote seems like an awakening process. I’ve had similiar experiences. I went through a stage where it seemed like everyone around me was sleepwalking through some game. Like they were robots acting out their conditioning and programming. At times, I’ve had a hard time interacting with others.