Forestluv

@NoSelfSelf Try lucid dreaming.

Yes, stage green has it’s limits - yet stage green understands cultural relativism -and so does stage yellow. JP is not looking at green from a yellow perspective. He is criticizing green from a blue/orange perspective. For example, he is oblivious to what a polyamory sexual orientation is. His position of forced monogamy is deeply blue. Forced monogamy on people with a polyamory orientation is akin to gay conversion therapy. Some people don’t want to get married or have children and want to have multiple sexual partners. This triggers JP’s blue - what is moral / immoral. Family values. Traditional gender roles. Disempiwering women etc. JP and his ilk are threatened from what they perceive as red. They see polyamory as people acting out their reddish primal desires of sex. They fear this will disrupt natural order and morality. What they don't understand is that polyamory at a Green level is much different and more sophisticated than polyamory at a red level. We are not talking about warlords and thugs sleeping around with women. Green-level polyamory is about open communication, consent among everyone involved, empathy, understanding, commitment, love and community. JP and others stuck in blue/orange do not understand this. It takes a radically open mind - of which JP lacks. So many orange-level people want to skip green and think they can go straight to yellow. It doesn't work that way. One needs to experience and understand green before advancing to yellow. Without doing so, they will lack key aspects of empathy, love and an aspect of relative thinking.

On micro/mini doses are easy to integrate in a week. And you tolerance will stay low. I find moderate / high doses to be harder to get ntegrate. I used to do two times a month, now just 1 time a month

You are correct. I did some more researching and found a video with JP giving an accurate description of psychedelics. He actually sounds quite readonable here. I wonder why he changes his tune.

It sounds like those professors were uninformed and took no position on psychedelics. That is very different than a clinical psychologist / academic taking a misinformed stand on psychedelics in the national media. Academics hold themselves to a higher standard. I find it hard to believe that a clinical psycholgist / academic could make such obvious errors in the national spotlight without being told. I’m not giving JP a pass here. It’s grossly negligent and unprofessional of a man in his position to make such ill-informed statements in national media. It reinforces the false stigma of psychedelics and puts more of a burden on the true clinical psychologists that are working tirelessly to develop therapy that will reduce mental suffering. JP could be uninformed and unprofessional or he could be an informed heartless hack that cares more about his image than people suffering from depression and PTSD.

JP cringed when Joe asked him about women who don’t want to get married, don’t want children and want to have multiple sexual partners. I think JP is threatened by empowering women to make these sexual choices for themselves.

Do you all think that the nature of courage is different for Blue, Orange and Green? What is courage like for Blue?. . . I would say the pinnacle would be military medals of honor. What is courage like for Orange? . . . I would say a whistle-blower of white-color crimes within their company. What is courage like for Green? . . . Colin K. taking a knee during the national anthem.

Why? Scientific clinical studies have shown psychedelics help people with mental illness. He has no concern as a clinical psycoligist or as an academic acknowledging this. These were academic, clinical psychology studies. I’m an academic and cover psychedelic therapy in my neuroscience course. It’s also commonly taught in psychology courses. JP must know this - or he has his head completely in the sand. MDMA for PTSD therapy is in stage III clinical trials for goodness sake.

Part of the beauty of the video is that JP tried to veil his position to what you wrote. Joe pulled JP’s veil off and exposed his bullshit. It was a thing of beauty. If I were the host, I would have pushed it further and get JP to admit he wants to prohibit threesomes and swinger parties. Both are non-monogamous

If you want to transition out of blue. . . first, drop the “polygamy” bit. It’s polyamory- we are not talking about polygamy. Second and more challenging: polyamory is a sexual orientation. Just like you have a monogamous orientation, others have a polyamory orientation. This isn’t about people sleeping around. It’s about people with a polyamory orientation. How would you like it if society forced you to be polyamorous?

No. I’m referring to forced monogamy for people that are unmarried and don’t want children. Forcing people with a polyamory orientation to be monogamous is akin to forcing people with a homosexual orientation to have heterosexual sex. These views are as blue as it gets regarding sexuality

Each person is a muxture of colors. You might be Green in some areas. JP is hardcore blue in that video. If that resonates with you, then you are blue in this area.

You’re not green in this area. Forced monogamy is akin to gay conversion therapy. It’s a hardcore blue position.

Yep. Welcome to Blues-ville.

JP is hardcore blue in that video. If that sounds normal to you. . . Welcome to Blues-ville!!!

My eyes are bleeding blue after watching that. That is a clean smake-down of a strong blue.

That all sounds good. We just have different life histories and different perspectives.

@Barna I’ve spent a lot of time contemplating responsibility and punishment. I find it interesting how passionately opinionated people can be on this. Especially regarding crimes

I don’t understand how JP resonates so strongly with so many people. His inner turmoil is palpable. Perhaps he fuels inner turmoil in others. I scanned down the comments of one of his videos - all were high conflict

Thanks for this. There are awakenings of the head and awakenings of the heart. I love the spiritual teachers that communicate through empathy and intuition.

I didn't start exploring these paths until I was in my 40s! There are LOTS of women in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s into this stuff. You will turn them on just being open to it. You could find a novice and explore together or a woman with more experience - some are into newbies. What you consider crazy or fucked up is fun playtime for others. My favorite was role playing. One of my exes and I really got into the character development. We had a list of characters and would spend all night playing out scenes. At times I lost myself in it. We would do it in public as well. One time we went to a bar separately. We decided to come as a new character and we had no idea who the other person would be. I could be whoever I wanted to be that night and so could she. I saw her in the bar and tried to pick her up that night. It felt sooo real and was sooo exciting.

Less than 1% of people are at stage yellow. That's a very small target audience. And there are very few yellow-level movie writers, producers and directors. However, I am seeing more and more green-level movies and TV series each year. I don't know where to put it, yet the series Westworld seems a fairly high level. It raises concepts more advanced than rational thinking (orange) and empathy/intuition (green). At times, the series pulled me outside of the maze of my conditioned mind. I was really surprised. And they did it in a unique way - a very different approach than any spiritual teacher I've watched. Yet, I suppose this means they touched upon Turquoise, rather than yellow. . . Hmmm, perhaps the documentary Samsara for yellow?

I hear ya. I was in a lame vanilla relationship for 11 years - during my sexual peak (arrrrgh). I've only had a few one-night stands / flings. They generally felt unnatural to me. I just didn't feel like a "player". One time after sex, it felt so shallow. There was no connection. I didn't know her at all. It felt fake - yet she was a very real person with real emotions. She wanted to cuddle afterwards and I'm thinking "Are you serious??!! We are strangers to each other." I was so uncomfortable I had to leave. I couldn't continue. I left her there alone and I felt awful. I must have apologized a dozen times. For a while, I thought the lesson was that I need to date someone for a bit to establish a connection. Yet, one day I found myself with a woman in Colombia and we connected immediately. We totally opened ourselves and shared our inner selves. Really deep emotional stuff. It felt so natural to have sex together and it was beautiful. Then, this happened with another woman. So, I learned it is possible for me to have an instant connection and meaningful sex on short notice. Yet, it's very rare. My BIG sexual revelation had nothing to do with one-night stands or scoring with women. It came when I dated a sexually liberated woman. She had none of the guilt or shame about sex. She had no rules. She was open, free and wanted to try so many things with me. I was completely comfortable with her and we tried things that would be taboo in my Catholic upbringing. We explored a lot of kinky stuff. It was very liberating to me. MUCH more so than having vanilla sex with a woman I picked up in a bar.

@CharlotteWhen I first started, I had major anxiety issues on psychedelics (I still do to some extent). And my mind did the same thing as yours. . . You wrote "I noticed my 'come ups' are when the fear happens "Where am I going to go? Whats going to happen to me!" Is what paces through my mind, losing control is my main fear" Yep, same for me. Super common on the come-up. Mindset is super important to a trip, yet so is dosage and setting. There are things you can do to settle your mind, create a good setting and take an appropriate dose. As well, your choice of psychedelic is a factor.