Forestluv

Sounds like a nice glimpse into the illusory self. This type of direct experience is quite profound.

@Emerald I have a similar view. I also think that fear of socialism and demonizing opponents as scary socialists played a role. I hope more people will become aware that modern "Green level" socialism differs from old "Blue level" socialism / communism. Surveys indicate the millennial generation in the U.S. is more open to progressive socialism, similar to that in parts of Europe like Scandinavia. I like how Leo talked about the two levels of socialism in his SD series.

Everyone be mindful that political activism and propaganda is against forum guidelines. If the thread devolves in that direction it will likely get locked. Elections can be reflective of consciousness levels of society. I find them interesting in terms of wordviews wtihin a SD framework. In particular, several more states have legalized medical and recreational use of marijuana. This would have been unheard of 30 years ago when marijuana was highly stigmatized. In the next 20 years, we will likely see "medical psychedelics" on ballot initiatives. Regarding the House of Representatives (which reflect local elections) - this was the most diverse group ever elected in the U.S. For the first time, there will be over 100 women in the house (many of those women of color and LGBTQ). The first Muslim women and the first two Native American women were elected. The first openly-gay governor was elected in Colorado. This House elections are a victory for the Green level of SD - they value inclusiveness, especially for individuals that have been marginalized or ostracized. In terms of SD, there are still large areas centered in Red, Blue and lower Orange. Trump fires up Red / Blue with his aggressiveness, nationalism and "us vs. them" rhetoric. Lower Orange may be somewhat turned off, but a relatively strong economy satiated Orange. Upper Orange is turned off by Trump and Green and above is repulsed by Trump. This is not to say Green and above will resonate with the "opposite" party (democrats). There are plenty of Orange-centered democrats that are motivated by personal gain and capitalism - which will turn off Green and above.

@ZZZZ I'd say it's relative to the individual - yet some generalizations can be made. We can say that a chainsaw is more powerful than a handsaw. In the hands of a novice, a chainsaw can cause more harm to the user than a handsaw. Similarly, psychedelics are more powerful than weed - yet in the hands of a novice, psychedelics can cause harm to the user. Asking what each substance is "meant" for is about as subjective as you can get. It's relative to the user. Humans are constantly trying to alter our physiology and mind state: shopping, eating, running, watching movies, having sex, reading, walks in nature, yoga, psychedelics, alcohol, meditation etc. What are each of these "meant" for? Entertainment? Escape? Spirituality? Personal improvement? It depends on the user. Trying new things and direct experience is key. Try it out a few times. Does it work for you? Do you need to fine tune it? What are your intentions and motivations? Does it help you progress? Are you becoming dependent? Etc. When deciding which to try, I would consider both personal patterns and public information. A person with a past history of drug dependence may decide to try psychedelics (low dependency risk / high spiritual reward) over weed (high dependency risk / low spiritual reward). Do research.

@gilded_honour Why would someone place Truth higher than security and comfort?

Hmmm. I question whether the appearance of such a thought would strip someone of their awakened credentials. . .

Indeed. And many people avoid it. I've found there are times I must put Truth above security and comfort to continue on.

@Dean Walker This sounds like a transitional stage in which immature spirituality is maturing. IME, I can't return to earlier stages - even if I tried.

@lmfao Letting go of delusions that gave my self security and comfort has been one of the challenges for my self.

The persona appears and disappears - similar to dreams, football games, clouds and bird chirps. The identification with the persona dissolves. It's just some character - like a movie character. IME, the persona comes in handy when interacting with other personas. For example, sometimes a coworker will ask me "What is your opinion on this matter?". My mind-body may sit in a daze for a bit and then it kicks in. . . "Oh yes, I need to play a character to interact with their character. And my character needs to form an 'opinion'". . . Another time, I was sharing stories with a coworker of childhood micro traumas. There was no persona identified with the story - it was like stories of movie characters. She started crying and I remembered that a persona identifies with stories and tries to avoid uncomfortable feelings. I was then able to ask her persona if it would like to change the topic. . . It can be awkward at times.

Heeeeeey . . . I wouldn't put you on a red eye with a layover. Direct flight during the day. I have plenty of miles with SW that I like to gift for special occasions. And I could pick you up at the airport. I travel a lot. It's all part of the adventure.

There are direct flights from Vegas -> Detroit on Southwest. I can get a RT ticket for about $100 worth of miles. I'd gift it to you if there is interest in the Detroit area.

@Shadowraix Sounds good. . . They would also have an infinite number of qualities between ugly and beautiful. Before the interpretation, there just is. A mind can add on whatever. . .

@Superfluo Nice work! You are All In! ♥️??

@Pilgrim Set up boundaries and be mindful of energy vampires. If you leave an encounter with energy depleted - it's most likely an energy vampire. Encounters with a balanced sharing of energy won't leave an empath depleted and exhausted.

@kieranperez I know plenty of experienced folks that set intentions with psychedelics. It was a major theme in the Ayahuasca retreat I did. Setting an intention is thought to provide grounding for a trip to return to. Like a theme. For me, the work in general I've done the weeks prior set an unofficial "intention". For example, if I've been spending a lot of time contemplating nothingness, I may be brought to nothingness during the trip. If I were to set an official intention, I would make it humble and genuine such as a request "to be shown my inner blocks to deeper states of being".

Yes!

Think about it. . . transcending everything into the absolute, means transcending *everything*. Embodying concepts/emotions like love, peace, compassion, serenity, joy etc. is great stuff - but it's not everything. If one stays within that secure/comfort zone, they haven't transcended it all - including terror, anxiety, panic, anger, insecurity, insanity etc. In the deeper levels, the distinctions dissolve. Terror is Love. Love is Terror. Very few spiritual teachers speak of this - it is very unpalatable to the self. It freaks the self out. The self will avoid it at any cost. Imagine a spiritual retreat that advertises: "On this retreat, you will gain direct experience with insecurity, insanity and terror so intense that you will die". It's not a good business model. I have no idea where teachers such as sadhguru, mooji, osho etc. are with this. They obviously tone down their rhetoric to connect to an audience seeking relief from their self. If I had a direct conversation with them, I would know within minutes. It is totally obvious when someone has ventured into this zone. The few teachers willing to discuss it often end up with arrows in their back. . . The Truth is both beautiful and brutal to the self.

You are light years ahead of where I was at your age as well as 99% of people your age. . . Nice work.

If you dig deep enough down the rabbit hole, you will come to a point where you must surrender *all* control. You will not know what lies behind the door. To come to know absolute unconditional love, you must be willing to come to know absolute terror. You will not have the option to choose. Very very few seekers will continue past this point. To become everything, one must become everything - including love and terror. If one only embraces the feel good side of spirituality, they will not come to know deeper levels.

High level Orange thinkers can be *extremely* intelligent (based on logical and reasoning intelligence). Richard Dawkins has a very high level of rational intelligence - yet a low level of tier2 post-rational intelligence. In a way, awakening is now. We are always zero steps from enlightenment. Paradoxically, awakening is also a process. I wouldn't be so concerned about how to color specific beliefs. Perhaps ask "What does reality want to express through me?". Get curious about the discovery and direct experience. Not to meet needs. Not to improve oneself. Not to be happy. Rather, to learn and experience the magnificence of life.

Ruh-roh. . . You can progress deeper while holding this belief, yet you will reach a point where you will need to let go of it to continue progressing deeper. There will come a time when you will need to place Truth higher than security and comfort to continue. . .

Rather than trying to figure out where you are, perhaps you could focus on becoming more conscious with a variety of methods. Trust you intuition to follow what resonates with you. Perhaps months from now you will look back and realize "Holy smokes! Looks like I'm centered in Yellow now!". As well, perhaps listen to yellow- and turquoise-level teachings. There are lots of turquoise teachers that teach to green-centered audiences.

@VictorB02 This seems like a very common issue while deepening one's consciousness. I went through a similar process with religion and science. When I evolved beyond religion, how should I tell my family? How could I still relate to them? When I evolved beyond science / rational thinking, how should I tell my colleagues? How could I still relate to them? For me, I didn't make a big deal of it. I was very mindful to not get on a soapbox or challenge them on their beliefs.

@Pure Imagination I never been attracted to capitalism, material things, nice clothes, looking good, titles, recognition etc. I never experienced any of those forms. For me, my Orange anchor was rational thinking. A couple Orange key terms you used are "productive" and "accomplish". There is a major energy shift from tier1 to tier2 in this area. Yet, you could be using the terms in a different context than typical for a tier1 mindset. It sounds like you have entered tier2 and are maturing. What helped me mature was listening to nondual speakers and exploring post-rational tier2 areas such as hyper-empathy and hyper-intuition. As well, meta views, integration of concepts and the dissolution of distinctions is mind blowing What instrument(s) do you play?