Forestluv

Logic is within nonduality (as is everything). From a Tier1 perspective, nonduality appears to be beyond logic.

At the human level, what "matters" is highly subjective and is not universal. I suppose one could argue that a subjective sense that something "matters" is universal at the human level. Yet, this would depend on one's definition of "matters". Yet, even if we agree that every human has some sense that something "matters", what that is would not be universal.

This sounds like some Ayn Rand Orange-level stuff with some Green sprinkled in. From a logical perspective, it is not even in the same ballpark as nonduality.

There are "mega threads" on each Spiral Stage. The first post in the thread includes a list of people in that Stage. The remaining posts include videos of people in that stage. You can do a forum search or a Google search to find them.

Very nice! I think this points at "Everything / Nothing". It seems so simple to the mind, yet it is oh so sneaky. Everything really, really, really means everything. So, there is "no thing" to let go of. There is no thing that can be separate from Everything. Everything includes all thoughts, desires to let go of thoughts, desires to let go of trying to let go and on and on. . . Whatever is happening is within Everything. There are no exceptions.

The brain and a concept of a brain arise *within* consciousness. That's why current scientists won't discover it. They make the reverse assumption (that consciousness arises within the brain).

For some Greens, yes. Do a google video search with key words like equality, unconscious biases, egalitarianism, disadvantaged students, gender equality, equal rights and cultural taxation. There are thousands of videos on equality that millions of Greens watch. Blue and Orange would have zero interest in these videos and likely don't know they exist. Plus, their youtube algorithms would only pull up Blue/Orange vs. Green in which Blue/Orange appeared to "win".

Looks like I misinterpreted. Thanks for the clarity. For this, I would say psychedelics are nearly guaranteed to create a nondual experience. It is also a "fast track" in a sense. And I would agree that many seekers will want to use psychedelics as a tool over time - perhaps one trip per month for a while. The risk of dependency/addiction would be low tho.

Oooh. . . Turquoise-Yellow food for the spirit. How tasty

@Omni It can't really be quantified as a science. A person is a mixture of levels for different developmental lines. Most people look at the criteria and like to overestimate themselves (the Kruger-Dunning effect). E.g. most Orange people will see the higher cognitive sophistication in Yellow and label themself as Yellow. Instead, I find it more helpful to simply observe myself. What type of videos resonate with me know? Do Orange level debates with Richard Dawkins resonate with me? Do documentaries about marginalized groups and how to promote equality resonate? Do videos about intuition, empathy, and the integration of science/art resonate? As well, what type of conversations am I attracted to? Are my conversations transactional and include debate (Orange level) or are my conversations about exploring new ideas and frontiers. Am I motivated to meet personal needs (Tier 1) or am I motivated to participate, explore and discover the magnificence of reality and life? And Yellow does not *reject* Green. Yellow transcends and embodies Green. Image Green as a handsaw and Yellow as a chainsaw. Yellow can use a handsaw when appropriate and a chainsaw when appropriate.

Friday is what an Orange orgy looks like!!

@shermano667 I've done it many times. Great stuff. Very similar to mushrooms. The legality depends on the country. Some countries don't shedule it as illegal and technically is legal for "research purposes only". I live in the U.S. and I act as if it is quasi-legal. I would order from a source that sends generic looking packages and I am mindful when traveling with 4-Aco on my person.

It is written at the level of someone transitioning to Yellow. There were lots of times I paused and thought "Whoa, I never thought about it like that." The book has a lot of Da Vinci's mode of thinking/being. Yet, it also had a lot about the essence of the Renaissance, Da Vinci's personal life and history. I liked that stuff too, yet at times I wanted more pure Yellow level action.

Psychedelics are among the lowest dependency substances (as shown by various studies). Psychedelic dependency is well below caffeine dependency. There are risks with psychedelics, yet dependency is way down on the list. There are lots of different spiritual tools: meditation, yoga, cultural immersion, retreats, self inquiry, contemplation journaling, psychedelics, shamanic breathing etc. They ALL have value. Which tools are of most value is dependent upon an individual and their place in life. Self exploration is great to discover which tools a person resonates with and which combination. For example, someone might have a foundation of daily meditation, combined with contemplative journaling twice a week and a psychedelic trip once every two months. There are lots of possibilities. I would just recommend respecting psychedelics and to do research and preparation prior to the first trip. And if you are under 24, I would have a bit more caution.

Once one is centered in Tier2, they are essentially free of ideology and attachment to beliefs. A whole new world opens up to explore. Most of my Yellow level insights have come through learning about different perspectives and self exploration. For example, integrating different perspectives into a more holistic perspective. For example, many people put science, art and spirituality into different categories. Yet, how can we connect the dots? What is the science within spirituality? What is the art within science and the science with art? My favorite Yellow-level thinker was Leonardo Da Vinci. There is a wonderful book called "How to think like Leonardo Da Vinci" which essentially describes a Yellow mindset. For example, it addresses what is intelligence? What is genius? What is creativity? How are these inter-related? Leonardo was not a genius in several different categories. He was a genius in one category that integrated what others percieved as separate categories. A hallmark of a Yellow level thinker.

You can watch the video the OP posted un which JP pushes for a universal objective morality. That is delusional. Yes, Green has it’s limitations. Yet they have a rudimentary understanding of subjectivism and relativism that Orange lack. JP’s views go through a filter of belief in external universal objective morality. That is a low conscouous level. Does JP have some nuggets of truth? Yes, but he is fundamentally delusional at a low blue/orange level. Green also have their delusions, just less so than nlue/orange.

JPs deficiencey is his attachment to an objective universal *moral* law. If the relative experience of a person is to identify as male, would you acknowledge that experience ad being equally valid to the gender you identify with? JP can’t accept what he views as moral relativism, because he is obsessed with objective morality.

It’s his objectivist views that are the problem. He wants to use an objective bioligical framework for distinguishing male vs female. This is fine for sex determination. Where he fails is denying relative gender identities. If someone has a relative experience of identifying as female gender, it’s irrational to tell them they are wrong and they actually are a male gender because a quantification analsis of their gonads indicates they are actually experiencing maleness. Acknowleding relativism means surrending a belief in universal moral law, which JP is unwilling to do. He is actually fighting like hell against it. JP’s foundation is a belief in universal objective morality. This lens clouds all his views. This is obvious to Green, not to Blue/Orange

He uses the concepts “moral” and “evil” quite often. I’d say associating a group with “evil” is demonizing. If someone asserts that postmodernism is “evil” is to associate postmodernists as evil. One of JP’s deficiencies is that he believes in universal objective morality. He does not understand relativism and subjectivism. He loathes anything to do with it. That is a main reason he is trapped in Blue/Orange and is unable to evolve up to Green. Once a person evolves above Orange, they will no longer resonate with JP. New higher conscious teachers will enter their life that they now resonate with. I went through a similiar process with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. I couldn’t understand why people criticized them. I didn’t think the criticism was fair. Then once I evolved above their level it became totally obvious.

If you come to understand relativism/ subjectivism both conceptually and through direct experience, you will evolve beyond JP and have a more holistic view.

To me, beliefs are more about degree of attachment and identification with an idea.

That seems like a poor definition from wiki. It assumes there is an external objective reality.

I think he adds window dressing so he appears modern and not some guy living in the 1970s.

It seems like he has a lot of inner conflict.