Forestluv

It is written at the level of someone transitioning to Yellow. There were lots of times I paused and thought "Whoa, I never thought about it like that." The book has a lot of Da Vinci's mode of thinking/being. Yet, it also had a lot about the essence of the Renaissance, Da Vinci's personal life and history. I liked that stuff too, yet at times I wanted more pure Yellow level action.

Psychedelics are among the lowest dependency substances (as shown by various studies). Psychedelic dependency is well below caffeine dependency. There are risks with psychedelics, yet dependency is way down on the list. There are lots of different spiritual tools: meditation, yoga, cultural immersion, retreats, self inquiry, contemplation journaling, psychedelics, shamanic breathing etc. They ALL have value. Which tools are of most value is dependent upon an individual and their place in life. Self exploration is great to discover which tools a person resonates with and which combination. For example, someone might have a foundation of daily meditation, combined with contemplative journaling twice a week and a psychedelic trip once every two months. There are lots of possibilities. I would just recommend respecting psychedelics and to do research and preparation prior to the first trip. And if you are under 24, I would have a bit more caution.

Once one is centered in Tier2, they are essentially free of ideology and attachment to beliefs. A whole new world opens up to explore. Most of my Yellow level insights have come through learning about different perspectives and self exploration. For example, integrating different perspectives into a more holistic perspective. For example, many people put science, art and spirituality into different categories. Yet, how can we connect the dots? What is the science within spirituality? What is the art within science and the science with art? My favorite Yellow-level thinker was Leonardo Da Vinci. There is a wonderful book called "How to think like Leonardo Da Vinci" which essentially describes a Yellow mindset. For example, it addresses what is intelligence? What is genius? What is creativity? How are these inter-related? Leonardo was not a genius in several different categories. He was a genius in one category that integrated what others percieved as separate categories. A hallmark of a Yellow level thinker.

You can watch the video the OP posted un which JP pushes for a universal objective morality. That is delusional. Yes, Green has it’s limitations. Yet they have a rudimentary understanding of subjectivism and relativism that Orange lack. JP’s views go through a filter of belief in external universal objective morality. That is a low conscouous level. Does JP have some nuggets of truth? Yes, but he is fundamentally delusional at a low blue/orange level. Green also have their delusions, just less so than nlue/orange.

JPs deficiencey is his attachment to an objective universal *moral* law. If the relative experience of a person is to identify as male, would you acknowledge that experience ad being equally valid to the gender you identify with? JP can’t accept what he views as moral relativism, because he is obsessed with objective morality.

It’s his objectivist views that are the problem. He wants to use an objective bioligical framework for distinguishing male vs female. This is fine for sex determination. Where he fails is denying relative gender identities. If someone has a relative experience of identifying as female gender, it’s irrational to tell them they are wrong and they actually are a male gender because a quantification analsis of their gonads indicates they are actually experiencing maleness. Acknowleding relativism means surrending a belief in universal moral law, which JP is unwilling to do. He is actually fighting like hell against it. JP’s foundation is a belief in universal objective morality. This lens clouds all his views. This is obvious to Green, not to Blue/Orange

He uses the concepts “moral” and “evil” quite often. I’d say associating a group with “evil” is demonizing. If someone asserts that postmodernism is “evil” is to associate postmodernists as evil. One of JP’s deficiencies is that he believes in universal objective morality. He does not understand relativism and subjectivism. He loathes anything to do with it. That is a main reason he is trapped in Blue/Orange and is unable to evolve up to Green. Once a person evolves above Orange, they will no longer resonate with JP. New higher conscious teachers will enter their life that they now resonate with. I went through a similiar process with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. I couldn’t understand why people criticized them. I didn’t think the criticism was fair. Then once I evolved above their level it became totally obvious.

If you come to understand relativism/ subjectivism both conceptually and through direct experience, you will evolve beyond JP and have a more holistic view.

To me, beliefs are more about degree of attachment and identification with an idea.

That seems like a poor definition from wiki. It assumes there is an external objective reality.

I think he adds window dressing so he appears modern and not some guy living in the 1970s.

It seems like he has a lot of inner conflict.

This seems like a mystical experience. Are there moments you feel like you have to surrender to it? Are there moments of vulnerability and anxiety? Or is it just blissful?

For sure! It seems people with a strong aversion to relativism are unable to relate to the relative experience of others. Objectivists loath subjectivity and tend to lack empathy with others. They feel safe in their head and unsafe in their heart.

I’m oversimplifying the term ideology. He may have a network of related ideologies. Yet I think he is clearly closed-minded to many modes of thought such as post-modernism and cultural relativism. Not just closed-minded. He demonizes groups of people and actively tries to discredit them. As well, his ideas like “Universal Moral Law” are highly regressive.

@Emerald I imagine all his notoriety, book sales, speaking gigs and adoration is reinforcing his ideology, which makes it harder to wake up.

I’m imagining JP at the acid test parties in Haight Ashbury with the Grateful Dead, Timothy Leary and love-fest hippies. And imagine JP at Burning Man. . .

@Jack River Well said!

From my POV it is relative because you seem to have resistance toward what people in this thread are trying to reveal to you. To expand your mind, queston your own assumptions and beliefs. Question how your own relative experience has shaped and biased these beliefs. Question whether there is attachment and identification with these beliefs. Leo covered much of this in his recent 65 principles for a good life video.

I don’t get the sense your questions arise in a mind that is genuine, open and explorative. I sense a hidden ideological agenda. The exploring mind has the responsibility to find truth via self inquiry, contemplation, research and observation. Be aware if your mind tries to shift that responsibility to others. For example, seeking to have someone else convince you or prove to you a point. Also, a desire to protect a belief and “win” a point. These are common ego traps that constrict a mind.

Were you able to take a philosophy of mind class?

Samsara

Buckle up, my friend! It’s one heck of a ride!

@Tony 845 That’s so awesome. Isn’t cool how spirituality brings us to places we never knew existed?

A nonbinary person does not limit their identification to either male or female gender constructs. I find it fascinating to contemplate and I’m so curious how novel nonbinary identities might emerge. Part of the Orange to Green transition is to see how adherence to traditional male / female roles and bias toward a cis-gendered orientation is irrational. Green is centered more on relative experience and being. Orange is centered on rational thought, yet is unable to see how their own thoughts are irrational from a Green perspective.