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Nice defense ?. Words have relative meaning. The context is more important. If the word consciousness worries you, then use another word like awarenees, growth, development, expansion etc. which ever word you are comfortable with and will not restrict you

Oooh, I like that imagery. In Leo’s latest SD video, he added in new lines of development interconnecting the stages. Afterwards during contemplation, these new lines became interconnected with each other. All these various inputs from different dimensions appeared into a complex net. Is this along the lines of the Diamond imagery?

I think physical features are one way to distinguish US vs THEM. There are other ways as well (nationality, language etc).

It is your responsibilty to discover this through a practice of meditation, self inquiry, direct experince, contemplation etc. It is not the responsibility of someone else to explain it to you in your terms and to your satisfaction. Fortunately, Leo does explain these fundamental issues in his 65 principles. If you want to evolve higher, start there. Watch the video with an open mind.

Blue has a simple hierarchy: US (moral) and THEM (immoral).

I think Green is where racism begins to dissolve. Yet, unhealthy Green can demonize lower stages and have nuanced forms of racism. Yet, it is *much* less than Orange and below. Major values of Green are equality, multiculturalism and inclusion. Yet, one can experience growing pains through this stage. Becoming aware of my unconscious biases and white privilege was very uncomfortable at times and I experienced a lot of resistance entering and evolving through Green. Yet, a Green mode of being is sooo liberating. It is so much more fulfilling than Orange. One of my resistances to Yellow was I didn’t want to leave the beauty of Green. Yelliw appeared as so cold.

Have you watched the 65 principles video? From my POV, you have a lot of blocks which Leo discusses in this video. Getting bogged down into an argument of whether band aids are racist is distracting you from deeper fundamental issues going on. It’s not about the band aids. It’s deeper than that.

Yea, racism is most prevalent stage Orange and below. It begins to dissolve at stage Green. For example, a person won’t be able to acknowledge or explore their own subconscious biases until stage Green.

Also watch Leos video on 65 principles. If you want to evolve higher, it is *your* responsibility to explore other perspectives and expand your awareness. It is not the responsibility of someone else to “prove” it to you.

Imagine a person’s developmental level is a binary mode of thinking. They cannot undertand spectral thinking. For example, they see each person as a “good” or “bad” person. They cannot see that people can be on a spectrum of good and people can be a mixture if good and bad. This person yells “show me spectrums with bimodal evidence!!”. How would we explain spectrums within a bimodal mode of thinking? We can’t. We would be limited to “either / or” thinking and spectrums are beyond either /or. The person will need to become aware if their limitation and let go of their bimodal thinking, then become aware of spectral thinking. Similarly, a rationalist is limited to reason, objectivism and logic. They demand logical evidence for post-logical modes.They demand objective evidence for relativity, They demand material evidence fir the immaterial. To develop higher, they need to become aware of their limitation, let go, then become aware of higher modes.

Yes. For simplicity, I didn’t include anti-apoptotic features of cancer cells. Cancer is a developmental process that includes a collection of mutations that confer new behaviors to the cell line, including: disregulated cell division, immune system evasion, angiogenic stimulation, metastais, anti-apoptosis.

You don’t understand what I mean by “facts” and “evidence”. What I mean is that you are asking someone to prove higher level modes of thinking/being with lower level modes of thinking being. One cannot ask for logic to prove a trans-logical mode. What would happen if you let go of your definition of systemic racism and genuinely inquired about it’s assumptions? What if you let go your attachment and identification with this definition and opened yourself up to explore and expand your your consciosness in this area?

This is *extremely* difficult to do with a mind that is locked into a perspective and defensive. This is one of the most important skills to develop at the Yellow level to help pull people up the spiral. Yet, it is a very difficult skill to develop. I think Emerald has developed this skill well in many areas. Some minds are particularly hard to open. Also, threads aren’t just about the conflict within an individual mind in a thread. It’s not just the one user in a thread. There are many minds reading this thread that are open to progressing upward through these resistances. Emerald isn’t just speaking to Outer, she is speaking to other minds reading this thread, but not comnenting. This can help raise the average consciousness on the forum.

@Outer I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Perhaps it might help to zoom out and look at the big picture. Contemplate “what is the big picture of systemic racism?”. Don’t ask us to “prove” it to you with “facts” and “evidence” to which you have logical defense mechanisms against. Look for your assumptions, become an expert observer of the world around you without pre-conceived notions. Once you can “see” systemic racism, your consciousness will greatly expand and you will be able to see how individual micro racism is within systemic macro racism. It’s like a camera. If you use a micro lens to take a macro photo, it will come out blurry. Yet, if you use a macro lens to take the photo, you can zoom into the photo and observe details within the context of the larger pucture. You won’t get lost in the details because you have the bigger picture in mind.

Yea. At the organismal level, there is a collective of cells which gives rise to the mind-body. When cancer emerges, the body knows the cancer is interfering with healthy function and development of the body. The body does it’s best to eliminate the cancer. It does so at a system level (the immune system has many branches of defense) and at an i dividual level (an indidual natural killer cell fighting and indidual cancer cell). Yet, cancer cells can disguise themselves to appear “normal” to the body. One could imagine that the cancer cell “perceives” itself as normal and not harmful to the body. It is unaware of it’s “unconscious biases”. E.g. the cancer cell consumes more than it’s fair share of resources. A cancerous tumor will re-route the body’s blood supply to over-feed itself - totally unaware how this is harming the collective body. Individual cancer cells are aware of other individual cells, yet unware of how all the cells together are within a higher conscious mind-body. . . To cure cancer, we need to observe and become aware of the details of cancer at an individual cellular level and the big picture systems level. To observe details within a systems context. With racism, the higher collective consciousness is society. Individual persons are aware of themself and other individual people they interact with - similar to how each cell is aware of other cells it interacts with. Yet, each individual person is unaware that together they all are within a higher social conscious field. This social conscious field can sense racism is an extreme form of separation identity that interferes with a healthy progression of social consciousness. Yet, racism disguises itself so it doesn’t appear like it is extreme separation identity that is interfering with social progress. To cure racism, I think we need to observe details of racism at the individual level and the big picture systems level. To observe details within a systems context.

Yes. I would much rather explore, develop and deepen ideas than debate, defend and argue over pre-conceived beliefs.

@Emerald Another feature for the cancer:racism analogy. . . The immune system oftens detects cancer cells and destroys them. For cancer cells to evade the immune system they must disguise itself. Similarly, racism often disguses itself to evade detection that would lead to it’s own destruction.

A better analogy: one cannot explain calculus to someone who doesn’t understand algebra.

As well, you will not be able to understand this perspective until you have reached a particular developmental stage. Ratinalists will view the trans-rational as irrational. Rationalists are unable to see their own mode of being is irrational. Objectivists are unable to comprehend relative and integral modes. No SD needed, there ya go. .

What is intentionality? From where does intentionality arise? Who is it that intends? Who is it that is unable to do good? Your conceptual framework seems to be based on fundamental assumptions. If you inquire deeply about these assumptions, the old map may unravel and a new map may arise.

Stage Orange rationalists may see Turqoise as irrational, whoo whoo, scam artists and/or threatening. They will not be able to comprehend three developmental stages higher. This is not surprising at all. Stage Orange will try to pull higher stages down. This fella, Jordan Peterson, Richard Dawkins etc. It’s part of the holistic dynamic.

Thank you @Elisabeth. That is a great example! I’m introducing meditation and nonduality in a first year seminar for nonmajors.

It is a mode of being, which includes logic and is more expansive than logic.

And what if you operate trans-logically? ?

These questions are right on the cusp of a breakthrough. So beautiful ? . This thread is Love ?