Forestluv

Sometimes I contemplate a universal intelligence. Why is reality evolving? Where are we evolving to?

Thank you ?

Some Yellow beings are into social engineering and I think it can have unintended consequences. Personally, I really want societies to evolve up the spiral and I often feel desire to push the progress faster.

If we assume that is true, I agree that it would be an important issue within systemic racism to address. It would be one of several components of course. Good point, thanks. ?

That’s so true! I used to compete with my former and future selfs. For example, I would train really hard for marathons to beat my previous self’s time and to make it hard for my future self to beat. So bizarre how the mind works. . . @Joseph Maynor Wow! That is intense Orange! ?

Even if we assume that as true from one perspective, it doesn’t mean that racism doesn’t exist or it shouldn’t be addressed. In fact, it would mean we should double our efforts to eliminate systemic racism. My mom would love that argument because it suggests liberals and minorities are hurting themselves with their own racism.

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@Emerald I went through a predominately internal reality construct and a few people told me I didn’t comprehend “intention vs. impact” regarding my words and actions. Do you think it’s related? I would imagine if someone couldn’t understand external perspectives in their life, they would have a harder time comprehending the impact they are having on others (i.e. how their words / actions would impact someone with a different perspective) Taken to an extreme, couldn’t someone who is sitting by a person that is suffering think “I am creating this suffering person in my mind. I take full responsibility for the internal reality I am creating”, and just sit there as the person suffers?

I’m now at a loss how to explain it. It looked like we were making some progress, yet those statements are so far off the mark. Do you realize from the perspective I am trying to explain to you, those comments would be perceived as extremely hurtful? One problem with a limited perspective is being unaware of intention and impact

I understand you are aware it exists. I’m saying you are not “getting it” from other perspectives. How did you create the suffering of the family I lived with in Hondorus? And how does saying that “you created it, not their society” help with their societal racism and violence? I’m imagining you telling this to this community and shaking my head. . .

There are people that are suffering within their relative reality. People that hold racist views and people perceiving racism. From my experience, these relative realities exist. Views like “we create our own reality” or “thoughts are delusion” may provide liberation and comfort to the one who has awakened to it. Yet what does it do for the person that has been conditioned with racist views that are now repressed? The person who now experiences a sense of separation, fear and hatred? Does saying “Well, that person is just experiencing the delusion of conditioned thought” help them in any way to realize that? And the person who perceives a racist attack against them. Does your personal revelation help them in their relative world of suffering? I’ved lived in communities with intense racism and poverty. With people that are oppressed. Starving. Direct experience. Go get some experience with the wrath of racism and oppression. I have in 3rd world countries. It will blow away your concepts and expand your sense of being. Or at least acknowledge that other people’s relative perspectives are based on extensive direct experience combined with conceptual knowledge. That their relative perspective may be broader and deeper than your own. It seems like you are in a bubble, yet under the assumption that you’ve got some type of broad understanding.

That is not a relativist perspective. It’s either an objectivist view or an absolutist view. From a relativist view, your statement is just a relative truth to you. The assumption that “reality is what it is” is a block from understanding other views, because their view will appear as “not what reality is”. You would need to let go of that assumption to understand other perspectives (which are relative to the other person). This can be extremely diffucult to do depending on the level of attachment and identification to the given reality that “is what it is”.

Whoosh! What you write is true within your relative spiritual bubble. Yet c’mon. . . There is a whole ‘nother relative world you aint woke to. It’s like everything Emerald is trying to reveal to you goes through this processing software that spits out an answer within it’s own bubble.

@Emerald Thank you! Spiritual bypassing is a new concept to me - now that I see it, it looks totally obvious ?. With spiritual bypassing, do you find it generally best not to engage? As well, sometimes I can perceive someone as being overall closed-minded and not see that there are both blocks and open avenues to pursue. All part of developing skills. . .

There are teachers. There are men and women that have dedicated their lives to develop expertise that they teach to others. Do I learn from my students? Of course. Yet to say I’m not a teacher is nonsense. Organizing and implementing your “coming togethers” would be very complex and challenging. People with racist tendencies will NOT want to attend. They will try to disrupt these “coming togethers” - at times violently. And we would need to overcome an enormous amount of resistance to help them reach the type of awkenings you propose. It’s not so easy as “just come together, discuss thoughts and awaken to your delusions” I don’t get the sense you have experience in this area or care to learn.

From my POV, you have done a lot of personal exploration. Yet, I don’t get the sense you understand how challenging it is to teach others and promote societal change. It takes A LOT of work and A LOT of teaching skill development. People who have racist tendencies will NOT want to attend these “coming togethers”. In fact, they will try to disrupt these “coming togethers” - at times with violence This goes waaay beyond personal revelations. That’s only the beginning.

Great stuff. This seems more like an individual level. This sounds hyper focused on content. Content is really important, yet so is implementation. You’ve got the content. Now, how do we bring forth these “coming togethers” to help others awaken to delusional racism within the context you wrote above? And how do you present the content to minds that have resistance? How do you create a “coming together” environment for awakening?

I think that is great. How can we disseminate that awareness at a societal level? As we sit here pontificating about consciousness, people that have not awakened to what you wrote are suffering and harming others due to that conditioning. Let’s say I’ve stepped out of that conditioned delusion. Great for me!!! How does that help other people still suffering from that conditioned delusion?

My impression was you were speaking of One consciosness, not relative individual relative consciousness

I agree that is a much less threatening framework to an ego and could be more effective at times. Yet being generic like that removes degree. Some unconscious biases cause more harm than others. And I agree with you that there are many other important issues to be addressed. Mist of my attention these days is spent mental illnesses.

In those abstract terms, no it hasn’t. Yet my impression of the video was he was literally speaking of the Vietnam war. Wether “racism” will ever “end” is an interesting question. A higher conscious form of racism may emerge in the future

@Jack River If you want to go to the absolute level, then there is nothing / everything. Simply One. That’s great. Yet from that Nothingness is also a relative existence. That One consciousness is expressing itself relatively. And that relativity is evolving. Everything is absolutely perfect as it is in the Eternal Now and is evolving relatively. Some beings in that relative workd want to help increase the relative consciousness of that One absolute consciousness.

@Outer Yes, from one perspective the Vietnam War was nonsense. Yet, a lot of suffering was associated with the Vietnam war. Is well, racism is nonsense. Yet a lot of suffering is associated with racism. When society’s consciousness realized the nonsense of the Vietnam war, it finally ended. When society’s consciousness realizes racism is nonsense, it will end. We are trying to raise that consciousness level to help reduce racism.

Raising individual consciousness is super important, so is raising societal consciousness. Look at how much impact Leo has had at both levels. The evolution of individual and societal consciousness isn’t always graceful. It gets uncomfortable at times. There is both inner and outer conflict at times. Any suggestions to make the process more effective at individual and group levels are appreciated. Perhaps that might entail avoiding these types of group conversations. But to just say this does no good doesn’t help progress much. To awaken to the absolute that racism doesn’t exist is a powerful revelation, yet it in the realitive world - it doesn’t do much to help reduce suffering associated with racism.

That is great stuff for the person. My question is how would one disseminate that? Leo is creating videos and maintaining this forum, Emerald has a Youtube channel, I’m teaching this stuff in my courses. All the personal development work is very important, yet if one wants to help raise the conscious level of society, they need to reach out to society. Personally, once I started having direct experiencecof liberation beyond a self, an energy arose to help other beings that are suffering in low conscious states. Simply “not contributing to the stream of conditioned reaction” just doesn’t cut it for this energy. I may not be the most graceful, I may be awkward at times - yet there is an energy of genuine desire to help others.