Forestluv

I think it depends on the person. I'd say some preparation is responsible. Perhaps do some research and practice meditation for a bit. Then, start with a low dose and work your way up. And IME, 5-meo is much more gentle than Aya.

I wouldn't say these pointers are pointing to something that "doesn't exist". That seems like a resistant ego setting up a high hurdle. The ego is making a pre-judgement that it "doesn't exist". That is a big wall to get over. If the mind doesn't believe the Ox exists and spends it's time conceptualizing against Ox existence - it's unlikely to see the Ox. I would reframe it as the pointers are pointing to something that cannot be explained or conceptualized. I would say this is closer to the truth and a lower hurdle for a logical mind to get over. It was for me anyway. Then, when the nonlinear, nonlogical arises, a knowing arises - then an energy toward it arises. I used SD tanks as a tool, yet psychedelics are a much stronger tool in this area. Like the difference between scissors and a chainsaw.

These concepts are just pointers toward that which is beyond concepts. Don't get trapped in the concepts. It's not It. . .

A little ninja Turquoise move. . .

Exactly. So go prior to the concept of Mu. Prior to all concepts, language, images, senses etc. Go find out for yourself. The words and concepts are just pointers. They aint it.

That is a contracted concept. In the null void of Mu, a deeper knowing will arise. Mu is prior to the bell being rung.

I introduced them to some kundalini breathwork. I knew they would resist, so I sold it as "Training for more efficient breath control that will help you in sports". All Aboard!

@Nahm Most of my students dislike posture. They are like kids - slumping, squirming, fidgeting. Maybe I should start docking them points for poor posture

Of course. The mind will contextualize when returning. That is not what I am referring to. I'm referring to something prior to contextualization. Something closer to the null void. Conceptualizing about it is fun and can help provide a framework for the mind, yet it aint it. Indeed. Yet that presence can be difficult for a conditioned mind to become aware of. Telling an ego "Just awaken" is like telling an alcoholic "Just stop drinking". Things like meditation, SD tanks, psychedelics, self inquiry can be useful tools.

Observe, observe, observe. There are deeper mechanisms of being, such as intuition, that are not thrown around like a rag doll in the ocean.

The place I traveled to was prior to all that. There was being-ness that had never had any experience, information, experimentation, observation, contemplation, spirituality. When the "I" returned, the mind will want to recontextualize it as an "experience". Yet, there is a being-ness prior to that. I am aware of my mind trying to contextualize the uncontextualizable.

@Charlotte During practice, I would reduce my dependency on slides and notes - so I just need to glance at bullet-points. For me, I don't like sounding like a rehearsed machine. There is the information, yet also the art of expression.

I traveled to this country while in a sensory deprivation tank. I went back to the womb prior to all experience, information, experimentation, observation, contemplation and spirituality. It was very different than anything I've ever experienced. Psychedelics can also bring a person to this country.

@Charlotte Tips on topic, style or both?

It seems anger boils down to "I'm not being treated right" a.k.a. "I'm not getting my way". Rather than repress anger or express it in a "healthy" way, why not get the the root of the anger? - which is most commonly based on self-centeredness, insecurity and survival. With that said, I've also experienced stored subconscious memory tension in the mind and body. For example, during a shamanic breathing session, all this childhood stuff about being hyper-criticized by my father started boiling up. I was just a kid, yet got criticized over and over again for not doing it right. This continued with hyper-critical girlfriends into my adult life. All those punches were absorbed in my mind and body and I never realized how deep it went until I started doing shamanic breathing. That stored tension started seeping out of my body. The breathing took over and the body was breathing itself. A mix of frustration, anger, compassion and sadness oozed out through clenched fists and tears. In this respect it was a healthy expression of the underlying issue. Yet, if I went around expressing anger at a surface level, it just isn't healthy and makes things worse.

Abakus is so fluid tripping.

Most psychopathic conditions are an interplay between networks of gene activity and environment (from a holistic perspective, their would be no separation from the individual and environment). For example, schizophrenia is thought to involve dozens of genes - each of those gene products interacts with many other gene products and cellular components - which in turn are influenced by the environmental input. Current estimates is about 2/3 of the risk is genetic and 1/3 environmental. Yet, we are talking about quadrillions of inputs which is beyond what a human mind can conceptualize - it's even beyond what a group of human minds can contemplate. It will be A.I. that takes us to the next level. Already, groups are creating A.I. to anaylze and interpret hundreds of thousands of data points from thousands of research projects is dozens of different cell types. In contrast, there are also single gene traits which are not influenced by the environment - such as cystic fibrosis, huntington disease and sickle cell. If a person has nonfunctional alleles of the gene, they will get the disease.

@Nahm It seems Absolute Consciousness and relative consciousness may be getting conflated in the thread.

Just because a human mind cannot imagine it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or cannot arise. Over and over through history, what the human mind thought impossible or unimaginable arose. The human mind consciousness is a drop in the bucket. It’s like comparing the consciousness of a grasshopper to a human. Conscious states will arise that will make modern humans look like lower life forms.

Good point. I try to be mindful if there is attachment and identification to experiences and beliefs. If so, can I let go of my identication with the experience? I’d sprinkle a little neti neti dust on it.

There’s a little rabbit hole there if reality itself is relative.

Beautiful. Those questions are challengeing Green’s delusions

One could go round and round with this type of thing. Like a kid standing on the high dive going back and forth wether to jump. 50-100ug of Al-lad is a great way to get your feet wet. Al-lad is relatively mild.

I've never actually taken one on a trip. Yet, just having a benzo handy and knowing I could sedate the trip helped reduce anxiety and increase confidence. A big part of my anxiety/panic was the sense that I can't make it stop. As I got more experience, I forgot about them. It's an ego "safety net" to maintain some sense of control. I think it was fine in the early stages as I transitioned. Yet, then I needed to let go of the safety net.

That's a great attitude. I remember training for lucid dreaming. In one dream I did a reality check and became conscious that I was in a dream. I got so excited, that I woke myself up . I thought next time, I'm just going to be chill and relax into it.