Forestluv

Statues as symbols can have many different meanings. It's relative and context-dependent. That same statue can also be a symbol of an external god to which one is praying to. Of course. It is relative to context. Let's not sidetrack this thread. Feel free to ask winterknight something in this area. It's his thread.

Of course. Without the direct experience, it will appear as fabrication. That is a big hurdle of resistance to get over. Would you say your direct experience of actually having sex deepened your understanding of sex beyond what your mind imagined what sex would be like? Or was the direct experience of having sex just a mere fabrication?

Well, to an extent. I’ve lived within a Red-centered community and a Turquoise-centered community. It was a heck of a lot easier being happy in the Turquoise community. It’s hard being happy when one is constantly worried about being beaten, raped, robbed and killed by gangs and warlords.

Because it is inexplicable. That’s the point. One needs direct experience to realize.

Yes of course there were some working long hours. I’m thinking about overall work and busy-ness. Decades ago only one parent worked. A moderate incone was sufficient to raise a middle class family. Today, both parents work to maintain that same level of quality of life. When we aren’t at our job, it still seems like work - busy running around doing errands, shopping for so many different things, chasing cheese. . . I believe we can. If the SD model holds up, societies will gradually raise their consciousness and heal. For example, the primary role of A.I. wouldn’t be to increase productivity so we can maximize profits (stage Orange). It would open opportunities to integrate and expand communities and to allow more people to awaken.

Thats an old quote from a somewhat different context. Tradition has power. It can serve to help liberate, yet it can also restrict and contract.

If I may piggy-back on Key a bit here. . . this is such a great point. Cultural immersion is one of the best methods to increase one’s consciousness. Living with local people in their homes. Doing laundry together, cooking together, learning their language and eating meals together. And as Keys often says, having real conversations with substance about who we are - our joys, hopes, loves, fears and life purpose. Building real human connection. Not checking out and pulling out phones to surf the internet and get lost in social media. IME, cultural immersion can take a person deeply into healthy Green.

@Emanyalpsid We are all working through various delusions, including myself. Sometimes it’s not always graceful. Yet through it all, we learn and grow. Yet, sometimes the growth looks different for different people.

That is a good forward-thinking questions. I’d say tools that help with fundamental states of Yellow mides of being. Tools that help integrate, synthesize into more holism. For example, in the sciences there is so much data about complex genetic interactions. There as been an enormous amount of data generation, yet we need more synthesis. I think the complexity has surpased the capacity of a human brain or a group if human brains. A Yellow level scientist would love to synthesize all these piles of data for a more holistic view of how biological systems function. There are groups developing A.I. to process and integrate scattered data sets. For example, a computer that can process hundreds of thousands of data points from hundreds of published reports into a higher level of understanding that is comprehensible to human brain.

That certainly seems like a nice vision, yet something different may arise. During the Industrial Revolution, most people that machines and manufacturing would give people more free time to explore their interests, relax and live the good life. For example, people now had machines that washed their clothes and dishes for them - allowing them more free time. And cars saved so much time conpared to hirse and buggies. . . Yet, society ended up working more hours, getting more stressed and developing more neurosis.

Along these lines, there are egoic attachments as well as assumptions / attachments that aren’t strictly ego-based (in the traditional sense). For example, when transcending the self, there may be realizations that one’s “story” of their self is an illusory construct. And when transcending human-ness, there may be realizations that humankind’s “story” of humans is an illusory construct. Yes?

It’s fine to discuss and debate differences between Hinduism and Buddhist, yet let’s be civil and refrain from personal finger-pointing and speculating about the intentions of others. @Emanyalpsid Several users have tried to communicate to you that there is something that has not yet been revealed to you yet. You just don’t have the direct experience and won’t see it until you do. Some users may express this to you with a personal undertone, yet I assure you, what is being pointed to is trans-personal. It’s not about the personalities of you, me, Leo or other users. Misinterpreting it as personal is a distraction from what is being pointed to.

Ok, so siddhis are just new learnings, power, skills. To a conditioned mind, some siddhis may just appear to be “supernatural”. For example, when self-referential thinking and self-seeking dissolve new things may arise in the empty stillness. One may discover they now have the clarity and openess to learn foreign languages or intuit the blockages of others and become a healer. Since there is now the realization of Oneness, new higher forms of nonverbal communication may arise. Whatever arises, arises. Yet, there is no seeking, grasping, avoidance or identification.

Good question. Here are a few things I’ve found helpful from teachers: Adyashanti: Contemplate: “What would happen if I allow everything in this moment to be just as it is?” Lisa Cairns: When resistance and indecision arises, ask yourself “Which direction will lead to more contraction? Which will lead to more expansion?” Then follow your higher intuition toward greater expansion - even if it feels uncomfortable.

Nice work winterknight! ? ? ?

Gotcha. Wouldn’t that be self-based desires? I.e. to achieve enlightenment with the self-based hope / intention of siddhis. It seems like the egoic state of mind is dominated by self-referential thinking and self seeking / avoidance. Trapped in loops of the “story” of past and future. If these truley dissolve, it seems there would be much more clarity, openness and stillness. In “my experience”, it seems like when the majority of the self/ego dissolved, there was clearer, open “space” for “things” to arise. When 5hrs a day of self-based worrying and figuring dissolves, it’s like a new freedom arises. Some of this new stuff might be these siddhis. It’s not something the fragments of self desire. The lower self often finds it uncomfortable and doesn’t like it.

Please do. Some of us may be living vicariously through you ? Also, perhaps consider a journal on the forum. They can be nice for these types of journeys.

@Ampresus I would be open to all mystics / sages. Engage with what speaks to you - with what resonates with you. That could be insights from nonduality, personal empowerment, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, metaphysics, science, art etc.

Once the self dissolves, is the mind-body more open/free for trans-personal / trans-human “experiences” - such as channeling?

The guitar may start playing itself. . .? Contemplate your nature before you were born. Before you were exposed to language, self concepts, images, rules etc. A smoother ride than the death contemplation. ?

@MM1988 Good question. I’d say two reasons. First, many minds are conditioned to perceive the workd negatively. For example, conditioned to see people as cynical, untrustworthy. This is embodied as there reality - just “how it is”. To let go of these negative perceptions would feel like avoiding what’s “real”. In a sense, it is. An old paradigm of reality is being drconstructed. Second, the ego likes to create problems. It keeps the ego actively in the game and relevant. These problems are perceived as real, so when letting go it may feel like avoiding reality.

Sound advice, thanks. Sometimes it's good to take a step back and get grounded in direct experience.

That sounds good too. I just gave an example, not a definition.

Insights into true nature before the mind-body was born. Before the mind-body was exposed to language, images and knowledge.

When I act in a way that is not need-based it feels geniune. For example, if I give a compliment to someone with no inner motivation for attention, people-pleasing, validation, looking good, get a date etc, It arises from simply appreciation and it feels authentic