Forestluv

What’s going on in your brain. These are all just ideas. SD is just ideas and concepts. There is no “me” or “you” to take ownership of any knowledge, understanding or experience. Imagine SD is a beautiful play we are watching in a theatre. Then after the curtain call, your self runs up on stage and starts taking bows. (which they love to do).

You’ve got quite the web of attachments and identification there. Start the deconstruction. Look at all the ways the illusory ego is taking ownership of ideas and experiences. Realize that the illusory “me” is constructing self concepts and an identity. Observe, recognize and let go.

A few moves ? Be genuine, open and curious. Let go of attachment to any thing. Put in consistent effort even when it’s uncomfortable, yet don’t grasp to anything, for you will eventually release all that you hold to. Rest in the stillness, yet do not become complacent nor try to avoid disturbances. Experience being human. Express silliness and laughter. Shed a tear when someone says “I love you”. Walk through nature with a child’s mind. Be amazed by flowers, bees and birdsongs. Sit and gaze at a river as it flows to nowhere. Be here now and observe what is actual prior to thoughts and interpretation.

That sounds like a wonderful setting. I would set up a nice meditation space. I’d be prepared for a variety of activities. Meditation and self-inquiry is great. I’ve done yoga as well. During the comedown and afterglow, I like to write and walk in nature. Oh, and lots of music. I like singing bowls and native american flutes (but not the tribal kind).

Would two half truths make a Truth? ??

Nice choices. I’ll add: Inception (movie) and Westworld (series)

The user got a time-out. Let’s let the dust settle and move onward. . .

@Strikr Tone it down. We’re in a troll-free zone

@lmfao Some good points!! ?

@Nahm At the food market, I had a basket full of fruit. Not once did a fruit say to another “I am right, you are wrong”. As well, no piece of fruit looked at me to say “You can only take one of us. Choose one and make it you”. . . Those issues weren’t present . We just co-existed in harmony. ☺️

@Emanyalpsid Your thread got several pages of discussion and ran it’s course. It’s innappropriate to start new threads and hijack threads to start forum discussions about how you have been treated unfairly and to troll admins/mods as cult leaders. If you disagree about a lock, just let it go or pm the mod. to explain yourself and get clarity. Disagreement and debate is fine. Just keep it civil.

Emanyalpsid / Feel Good, we have been this this before and you haven’t worked through it. Let go of the poor me victimization.

I closed the second thread because we don’t need a forum discussion that’s all about you and how you have been treated unfairly. There is no need to defend an insecure ego. Just let it go.

@Emanyalpsid Playing the victim role is a trap. Let it go.

Happiness in the context of pleasure is a contracted form of happiness. It goes much more expansive/deeper

Thanks, you make a good point . The word “holding” isn’t useful because it implies grasping or attachment.

It’s not holding in the sense of work - like holding onto something. It’s more like perspectives/opinions are free to appear in the mind and disappear - with no identification or attachment.

@Michael569 Once the mind is comfortable with two perspectives, it’s like “why stop at two?”. Then, the chains come off and several contrasting perspectives/opinions - can reside in the mind - and then all perspectives. Yellow cognitive modes are so much more fun than Orange modes. Orange is like having to work overtime hours on a holiday. Yellow is like being on vacation and exploring.

@Hugo Ferraro That’s a great introspective description of your process of self exploration, direct experience and integration. Thanks for sharing it with us ?

Three factors that affect a trip: Dosage, mindset and setting. Harm anxiety throws off mindset, your “inner game”. Sometimes during a trip as the self loses control and the ego can rebel and get anxious thinking all sorts of crazy things “What if I lose control and run outside screaming slurs? What if I text my colleugues naked photos? I could lose my job!!! What if I trash my house? We can’t have this!!! I must retain control!!” While sober, the mind can easily see these are irrational thoughts. Yet while tripping it’s much harder. It seems more real and that it could actually happen. A mind can talk itself down, yet it can be challenging. I would recommend having respect for the substance and understand how powerful it is. Yet, heading in to the trip already carrying in harm anxiety is not a healthy mindset imo. It’s best to have a mind that is open, relaxed and humble. Diring the comeup, get silly - laugh, sing, dance - play funny music and videos. If you are concerned of anxiety harm, just bring a benzo or etizolam to “kill” the trip. Knowing you can kill it will increase confidence and relax the mind - knowing there is an escape hatch. Also bring a variety of things to do. Music, journaling, creative, videos, walking. Shifting activities can shift the trip. Go with the flow. If it gets too intense during meditation, Rick and Morty videos can be great for relaxing the mind a bit. Then, perhaps returnbti meditation or writing. Or staring at a painting for an hour, haha, Before my first Aya ceremony, I started getting anxious. I was reading about bad experiences and started creating all these “what if” stories. I even asked a shaman what should I do if I freak out. A couple hours before the ceremony I was sitting on the temple steps, wringing my hands. I debated back and forth whether to do the ceremony, I traveled all this way and soent so much money, yet I didn’t want to experience all the scary scenarios running through my head. Then, woman approached the temple. Her aura was so joyful. She told me how wonderful it was to be here. She said how grateful and excited she was to reunite with the beauty of Mother Aya. She was like a child on Christmas Eve. She radiated joy, love and kindness. Her energy was contagious. I started feeling a bit giddy and excited. I asked if I could sit next to her at the ceremony. My whole mindset changed. I became full of childlike wonder and anticipation. I was smiling and giggling with her. Then, we drank the Aya and I relaxed and let go into the most magical, loving, beautiful reality I could imagine. . . If I had entered with all that anxiety, entertaining stories of how awful this will be - it may have been a very different trip. For me, the two mindets most likely to lead to rough rides are anxiety and cockiness.

@winterknight Very nice. Without the attachment, identification and interpretation within the three egoic states what remains is:

It seems like the mind can look around, see lots of things and imagine One enormous inter-connected Everything. It seems you would consider this a half-step, because there is still the image of lots of inter-connected thing. And the Everything itself could be imagined as a thing. Yet, it is possible for perception to go further? I can look around my room and see One inter-connected Everything. I've touched upon a level in which the inter-connected dissolves and there is simply One. Yet as you said this still suggests a One that is a thing. So, what would be "seen" at the next level? All those things, or the One Everything just doesn't disappear and the brain goes blind. If a dog chased me, my brain could recognize the entity. Is it closer to Truth to say the brain still perceives "things", yet there is an underlying "seeing" of Nothingness?

Psilocybin has long-acting tolerance. It takes a week for it to substantially reduce and about 12 days to reset to zero. 5-meo-dmt tolerance is much shorter-acting. I think in the order of hours, definitely resets after a day. The 5-meo trip duration is really short - the peak is only about 10min. when plugged. IME, the time window is too short to say "Hmmm, this peak is a bit weak, let's boost it up". However, I have redosed after an hour to extend the "after glow". Yet, I did not get a second peak. If you are underwhelmed the first time with a low dose, I would just try it again the next day, or a few days later. And if you can release/relax as @outlandish described above, the experience can be quite pleasurable in mid-dose ranges. I've gone places that were magnificently sublime as I melted into existence. Like what I would imagine heroine to be like. My first few trips at moderate doses were so relaxingly wonderful, I was concerned I may abuse the substance. Yet, I never felt any drug seeking energy or desire to escape with 5-meo. It's weird. I only do it when the occasional "calling" arises.

Super. #1 is actually peaceful to the mind, because it's "Game Over" - there is nothing to think about or figure out. It becomes a non-issue. For #2 and #3, why is the One pointer dangerous? Is it because the term "One" directly implies separation and "Not Two" just indirectly suggests separation? Also, what do you think of the term "Everything" as a nondual pointer? The mind is conditioned to think dualistically, yet it seems that continually guiding the mind back to "Everything", can loosen the mind's attachments. For example, the mind may become attached to thoughts like "Consciousness is this. . . ". Oops, that thought is within "Everything", let it go. "There is no spiritual path. . . ". Oops that thought is within "Everything". Let it go. . . If the mind is ready and willing, I've found any the attachment to any thought can be loosened by simply returning to "Everything". And I don't think this just applies to beginner seekers. I've met many evolved minds that seem attached to very deep and profound spiritual teachings, such as in Buddhism (and including Buddhist monks). Yet at the end of the day, they really believe it is the Truth. Their mind seems unable to acknowledge that all these spiritual teachings, statues, mantras, robes etc. is simply within Everything. I get the sense there is resistance, for admitting that may dissolve the Sangha for which they are so invested in. For me, being able to let the most profound mystical insights dissolve into Everything just as I could with a birdsong is a deep sense of peace and liberation.

@Preetom It seems like as we evolve, we need to unlearn things from a low conscious level and re-learn them at higher level understandings to communicate. For example, I had to unlearn and relearn "God", "Emptiness", "Nothing", "Consciousness" etc. at different consciousness levels (if we use the conscious "levels" framework). I think a lot of people get trapped thinking they understand term usage, yet they haven't reached a stage capable of understanding the usage at a higher level.