Forestluv

What is objective “isness”? Can it be determined or described?

Would it be “more correct” to say that the statement “there is no ignorance or dispeling of it” simply appeared?

Is there not awareness that there is no ignorance and no dispelling of it?

That’s a good point. Yet is not this statement itself relative? Can A and -A always be valid teachings depending on the seeker? That would suggest all teachings have relative validity. Such that the teaching: a triflet of pogard is shoglin to mestan - has validity (as does it’s opposite) depending on the seeker. I think most would consider that teaching to be nonsense. Yet, I suppose if one person considered it valid, then it becomes valid.

Yes, as are all words and concepts. The terms “closer” and “distant” are concessions to the dualism inherent in language. I’m more interested in which might be a better relative pointer than the words themselves as being true. In the absolute, are not all statements both true and false (or neither true nor false)? In the relative, do not all statements have partial truth?

This seems like a dance between subjective perception / meaning of “what is” and an objective “what really is”. If so, what is “really is”? Can what “really is” be determined?

Is it fair to say there is awareness of existence? Or is it closer to the truth to say nothing exists to be aware of?

You mention the pointer dispels ignorance and what remains is Self. Yet is not the ignorance “within” Self? Is not ignorance Self? What would be the distinction between ignorance and Self?

@Mikael89 It’s fine to disagree. Let’s just keep it civil and avoid inflamatory language.

Perhaps it may be more important to become aware of attachment and identification to one’s thoughts, rather than stopping one’s thoughts. This may help a mind to relax.

@Marinador It can lead to flow states of consciousness, especially when someone is skilled at the sport and there is a moderate amount of risk involved.

@TheWokestMan I would be cautious about tripping in the 115-345ug range weekly. The tolerance reset is about 12 days. As well, the “magic” generally declines with weekly tripping in that range. It’s just not sustainable. Perhaps consider doing micro/mini dose 3X monthly and a strong dose 1X monthly and work to integrate with contemplation and kriya yoga. This may help raise your baseline conscious level.

I don’t think it’s about being pro or anti-psychedelic. A mature holistic view based on extensive research and experience will integrate pros and cons and understand the relativity of those pros and cons. As well, a holistic view would integrate psychedelics into a well-rounded spiritual life that also includes practices such as yoga, contemplation, therapy, meditation, retreats etc. Again, depending on the person and their stage of spiritual maturity. I agree with you that psychedelics are often counter-productive with people that are spiritually immature. The OP stated positive changes to his mind and body. Statements like “ if anything at this point your psychedelics trips are burning out your nervous system. As opposed to anything positive.” are based on assumption. While I see risks in weekly psychedelic consumption and generally consider it unwise and unsustainable, studies have shown psychedelics to be among the least harmful substances. As well, research published in the highest level scientific journals have shown psychedelics to improve neural functioning by stimulating neurite growth, synaptic strength and neural plasticity. In contrast, psychedelics can also be ineffective, misleading and counter-productive. Especially for young users that are spiritually immature. When misused, psychedelics can be damaging. Yet, psychedelics are not inherently harmful - it is context dependent. As well, I would be cautious about assumming psychedelics as the sole causative agent of personal problems that may arise after its use. It’s more complicated than that. There are many input variables that need to be considered.

@Arhattobe Of course psychedelics can be misused and will not aid all seekers. Yet, the same could be said of any tool. It seems like you are projecting a slice of truth as generalized truth. This is a story your mind has made up about psychedelics. I’m not saying what you write about psychedelics is “wrong”. Yet, I think it’s a relatively narrow black-white perspective that is not open to the bigger picture.

This sounds vague and assumptive to me. What is your direct experience with psychedelics?

That’s true in a relative context. That is relative love, which can be beautiful. That relative, conditional love can expand. What if that parent’s love for their child expanded to include their entire family? And then expanded to include all abused children. And then suffering refugees, then suffering animals, then people with psychoses, then suffering criminals, then all of humanity. What if that love expanded to include the entire universe?

The breath came before the intellect. It’s nice to give the intellect a rest and let the breath take over.

@bejapuskas In terms of thinking lines, rational/logical thought (orange) is followed by cultural relativism (green) and full relativism (yellow). It could also be described as a transition from egocentric/ethnocentric to worldcentric to integrative. As well, Green includes a lot of human connection and emotions/feelings. Green isn’t a walking analytical head typical of Orange. Green is able to experience empathy, intuition, love, vulnerability and mutual support at a deeper level than Orange.

Sometimes I play Tibetan singing bowls and just drift away. Usually consciousness drifts in and out of “me”. I’ve never gone 35-40 in a no-self state though. Do you think binural beats were helpful in inducing that state? Is it a mind state you would like to return to?

@Charlotte Was there any awareness present? Sometimes when my self dissolves, there is no concept of time and no “experiencer”, just experience. When the self “returns” it seems like absent time because “he” wasn’t there.

I lived in Eugene for five years. It's pretty much Green cultural immersion. The Emerald Valley. . .

@graded24 Just out of curiosity, would you say that this centeredless awareness resided in the mind-body? Or that the awareness was beyond mind-body. For example, the awareness was the entire room. I’ve recently had some experiences in which awareness was outside of, yet included, the mind-body. Not quite astral projection, because the awareness wasn’t centered at a point. It was nowhere and everywhere in the room.

@Nahm ? ? ?

@SoonHei Ime, the concepts are important as a foundation for direct experience. Without a conceptual framework, the mind may dismiss mystical experiences as “woo woo”. My concern with concepts is attachment and identification with concepts. The concepts themselves are simply more ISness. Yes, I’d say ISness is more fundamental than AMness because the mind is more likely to identify with AMness. It’s easier to personalize AMness. For example, it’s easy for the mind to think “I am this”. Yet resistant to “The rock am this”.

@SQAAD I would be mindful of creating an “enlightenment story”. This can create expectations and a sense of something to be acheived. I.e. an assumption that some type of event happens to a person. Perhaps shift the original question and contemplate “Is what is permanent or not?”.