Forestluv

The art in this thread is so amazing. I enjoy experiencing the creativity. Thank you all for sharing your art ?

@Jack River You don’t seem to have an interest in exploring a new area. I respect that. Have a nice evening ?

@Jack River When it reveals itself you will know and the desire to play with words about it will dissolve.

If and when it reveals itself it will make itself known. If a mind is still entertaining thoughts about it, it hasn't yet revealed itself.

That says it all. . .

And when it is revealed in direct experience, a mind may mature from conceptualizing it to embodiment.

I can see how it would appear that way from one perspective.

5-meo = loss of all that conceptualization. It goes prior to all thoughts, ideas, sensations and perceptions. In the end, there is Mu.

A compassionate, heart-centered perspective:

@PetarKa There is no one best approach to tripping that applies to everyone. If you are interested in trying it, do some research and find an approach that works for you. There have been many threads on the forum with suggestions on how to trip the first time. There are many common suggestions about dosage and setting that tend to be helpful to most people. Yet if an ego resists surrender when it's time to face the music, it will be a bumpy ride. All the mental chatter about "Maybe it's like this. What if this happened? Why do some people say yabba jabber? With this logic, how come this isn't that?" is a bunch of mental noise. If you want to try it, go for it. Use a trusted source, start with a small dose and ask people on the forum for suggestions about how to prepare. If it works for you, great. If not, ditch it and try something else. The only way to find out is to try it. Yes, psychedelics can be used therapeutically in a clinical setting. As far as healthy people using psychedelics, it can be a very powerful spiritual and personal development tool - especially people at a Green or higher baseline conscious level. A good example is Michael Pollen. Yet, psychedelics don't resonate with other people.

As the OP indicates, there are risks involved in using psychedelics and beginners should proceed with caution. As well, the OP offers several useful suggestions. Yet, the thread title crosses the line into a "click-bait" drama title. The OP states this is third-hand information that is unsubstantiated. Therefore, the title is misleading at this point.

On the home page, scrolldown to “conscious blog”, then scroll down to the article “DNA and genetic degradation”

I would question that assumption.

It sounds like you are thinking what no self would be like, yet haven’t had a lot of direct experience and embodiment. After an awakening beyond self, the self doesn’t suddenly dissappear. The whole story of the self and all it’s emotions, likes and dislikes doesn’t permanently vanish. That stuff is deeplt ingrained into the mind-body of the human and self impulses still arise. It can be process to deconstruct the self construct that had been built over many years. . . It’s the relationship to the self that changes. The self is no longer the main act in the show.

@PetarKa You may get a variety of feedback on this. From my POV, there seems to be instability with some sort of underlying issues. I think there is a high risk of psychedelics destabilizing and being counter-productive. I would recommend building a foundation based on consistent daily practice that could include meditation, yoga, contemplation and journaling. After a foundation is built over 6-12 months and things stabalize, there may be a calling to go deeper with psychedelics. I’d consider a counselor as well. Personally, I don’t think psychedelics are a useful tool to use solo until one has matured to Green. Combining psychotherapy with psychedelics has shown to be beneficial, yet it hasn’t yet reached mainstream clinics.

Based in SD theory, Coral would include all previous stages. I watched part of the video and can see red and orange. Yet not much Green to Turquoise. Yet higher stages can have varous expressions. For example, Turquoise isn’t just feel good nonduality teachers. I may be missing something in the video.

Why do you think it might be Coral?

I would spend a summer living with a tribe in the Peruvian mountains. Within a Turquoise community. Nothing beats immersion and direct experience.

Their essay on DNA haplotypes is a very creative piece of science fiction. ?

I’m wondering if this is a Turquoise post-rational message I need to decode. . .

Stay present in whatever is happening now. Trust being right now. Follow your heart and intuition. ?

The cosmic joke that too 24 yrs to reach the pucnchline. . . For many years, my person searched for some thing. What that thing was, I didn’t really know. Yet, I believed it would bring me me serenity and meaning. Other times, I thought it would bring a sense of happiness and well-being. I searched high and low for this “it” thing. My first meditation space was in a small closet. There was a single shelf, that I placed a candle. While sitting, my knees were within an inch of touching the walls. This gave me motivation to sit still because I got irritated when my knees touched the walls. I spent many hours in that small room. I no longer believed in an anthropomorphic god, yet I still got on my knees before and after each meditation. At the start of each session, I would kneel in prayer and ask that “it” guide the process. After each meditation, I again knelt in prayer to express gratitude for whatever had arisen. This was the only way I knew to surrender and give up control. This was the only way I knew to say thank you for whatever arises. There was no internet then. There were no online forums or YouTube videos. One would have to go to a bookstore or library to get information about spirituality. Yet back the, religion was still king. To most people, spirituality was an odd, mysterious thing that some people were adverse to. Meditation was a weird Eastern thing that conjured up images of eastern men twisting themselves into pretzels. There were of course pockets of spirituality, especially in progressive college towns. Through my youth, I lived in three of the most liberal college towns in the United States. I wasn’t aware of it at the time, yet it’s now clear that I resonated with the spiritual vibe. I liked a hippie vibe, like at Grateful Dead shows. The point is, I didn’t know anything when I first started meditating in that closet. I didn’t know the right way to sit or the right way to mediate. I didn’t know what meditation should feel like. I didn’t know anything about insights or revelations. Looking back, “it” was revealed. There were moments of prescence. They were profound, yet I had no idea what to make of it. I didn’t really feel comfortable talking about it - I was young and concerned about my social image. One day, I mentioned it to a friend who seemed like a spiritual type. After telling him about one he said “That sounds like a “spiritual experience”. I was taken aback. It didn’t even cross my mind that these moments might count as a spiritual experience. In my mind, spiritual experiences were for really spiritual people. So I asked him “how could I tell if this was a *real* spiritual experience. He paused for a bit in contemplation. He replied “I’m not sure. I think you just kinda call it one if it feels right”. I replied: “We can do that? Are we allowed to do that?”. He said “I think so, but I’m not sure. I think it’s up to you to know for yourself”. I remember how humble and sincere this was. This was really important. That was the closest I got to awakening. I was within inches. If I had just stayed with my direct experience. Yet,I needed up going on a spiritual goose chase. It would be 24 years until I got that close to awakening again. . . Those times were so genuine and open. Yet once I caught wind of these “spiritual experiences” the seeking energy entered. So here’s the thing: I was closer to awakening in that darn closet than I was at anytime over the next 20+ years of seeking. In that closet, I became One what was. And I didn’t know what that meant or should mean. It just was. And it was powerful. Then this idea of “spiritual experience” was planted in my mind and a division arose. There was me and this “spiritual experience thing”.It didn’t take long for separation to take place. I started reading books on spirituality. I started going to a zendo. I learned that this spiritual experience thing was a really big deal. It goes really deep and there are all sorts of spiritual experiences. I learned how to bow appropriately. I learned how to sit right. I learned that there was an ego and how to deal with this ego. I sat in dharma talks trying as hard as I could to understand the teacher. I bought statues and built and alter in my meditation room (no more closet anymore for me). I traveled to the mountains of Peru to be with Shamans. I sat there immersed in their story of the spirit realm. Through it all, there was this underlying energy to seek and find some type of “it”. I learned thousands of spiritual things. Then after 24 yrs, it all came crashing down. I spent a couple years trying to repair and rebuild it all. Yet once that first gigantic spiritual structure came crashing down, it was never the same. That grounding was no longer there. Anything I built came crashing down. My longest stretch was eight months. And when it all crashes down, I’m back in my meditation closet, simply sitting in prescence, not knowing anything. The cosmic joke that took 24 years to reach the punchline. . .

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@Shakazulu Yep, it’s a big jump. What I find is that as soon as I try to make sense of it, it reduces the depth of the realization. I’ve found a little conceptualization is good as a framework, yet my mind tends to over-intellectualize things. What did the realization feel like? Some feel a sense of fear, others a sense of liberation.