Forestluv

It’s in it to win it!

Climbers gonna do what climbers gonna do. . . ?‍♂️

@JayG84 These realizations are halfway there. Absence of meaning to an ego is dreadful and there can be ego backlash. There is a deeper meaning and knowing beneath the ego. Yet it doesn’t serve the ego, so the ego resists it.

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It was just a statement in general. The ego doesn’t like giving up control of the narrative. My mind included. And yes, this thread has turned into a can of worns, hasn’t it?

@now is forever the awareness that one’s own perspective is relative is a high level. Stage yellow in the SD model. It’s one of the hardest parts of evolving to tier2. I still have to work through it at times. It’s one facet of ego death.

You were as well ?

I don’t think I can be helpful to you in this space and I will step aside ?

@corndjorn Seven “IS’s” in that last post and you state each one as if you believe it’s true. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Take a step back and look at the thought dynamics appearing in the mind. The ego wants to control the narrative. It appears in my mind as well. That’s what egos do. It’s hard to let go of.

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@corndjorn Go back in your writings and look for everytime you used the word “is”. The “X” is on the left of “is” and the “Y” is to the right of “is”. And you most certainly have some beliefs appearing. You just aren’t aware of it. The ego will always want to control the narrative. And I am not suggesting there is something wrong with beliefs or it is something to be avoided. As a mind expands, as does awareness.

@corndjorn Not my point. You keep saying “X is Y”. Then you say “I understand X is not Y”. Then you go on telling stories with an underlying belief X is Y. Embodiment goes much deeper. And I am not pointing to your concept of nonduality. That is an assumption you seem to be making and I think you are dismissing nuggets of insight because of that assumption.

@MM1988 I’m not an expert on ketamine, yet I know reserachers of psychoplastogens are not including ketamine due to toxic effects. They are trying to develop safer chemicals.

@corndjorn All stories are ultimately groundless.

@Nahm (spoiler alert: there is no escape).

You betcha. With some silly sprinkles on top. ? Over seriousness can lead to a contracted state. Humor and silliness can be a release valve.

“Escape From Nonduality”

@Tistepiste For sure, trips can take all sorts of turns and detours. Changing one’s orientation by just a few degrees can make a big difference. On one of my trips I was in a reality within a reality within a reality. . . I didn’t know which was the right reality. Then, I felt like I was trapped and would never return to normal reality. Anxiety maxed out and was about to reach the panic zone when the thought entered. . . “Wait a minute, this is like the movie Inception. I get to be in a real life version of Inception. This is so freakin’ awesome!!!” Then I put on some music and started dancing because I was free in any reality that was appearing. . . . Strange Brew. . .

It’s so awesome to see you explore life and spirituality. Thanks for sharing your story with us. It made me smile. ?

@Nahm Hmmm, perhaps I’ll call my second book “A journey to nowhere”.

Yep. That’s what it boils down to.

I’m just saying be aware that you have an idea that there is some “thing” you refer to as “enlightenment”. You seem to be making an assumption that this thing exists and that you have partially acheived this thing. I think the concepts are fine for communication and grounding. The problem I encounter is confusing the map for the territory. The hand example relates an idea or perception of a hand to enlightenment, further suggesting there is an association with enlightenment as an idea or thing. To loosen that perspective, I would ask you if it is wrong to thadre to gakila if humlo is predlak? The mind will not like this question because it must surrender control of the narrative.

I’m just saying be aware of identifying with an idea of enlightenment. By self-describing yourself as not fully enlightened it means you are evaluating yourself relative to some idea you have of what enlightenment is. If I asked if you were hithalmed, you wouldn’t know how to answer because you have no idea of hithalmed.

In general, be aware of attachments and identification to an idea of what enlightenment is.

To piggyback off @outlandish , I’d like to say the psychedelics also amplify empathy and connection for me, like 100x. I may see a simple act of kindness and it’s like the most beautiful loving thing I could ever imagine. As well, ordinary things can become deeply sad or disturbing. Seeing someone with mild suffering can become heart-wrenching and induce suffering in myself. I try to be mindful of this when I trip plan and try to avoid dark music, videos etc.