Forestluv

@GabeN you is a concept You are God One is the psychological self, the other is post-self.

It’s not about believing me or anyone else. It’s about your own direct experience, not what anyone has told you. That’s why I suggested going prior to all the ideas and see what exists in your own experience

@Outer I know it’s crazy. Cannibis sched 1 and xanax sched 4 ?

@Highest It’s amazing https://www.leafly.com/indica/forbidden-fruit

I can’t remember the last time I tripped. Maybe two months ago? My baseline level is now close enough to Turquoise that I’m in striking distance without psyches.

@Highest Forbidden fruit is my favorite strain for relaxed nondual states

Those are the studies I wish would happen. They are easy experiments and I predict will yield fascinating results. Yet the stupid sched. 2 designation makes it nearly impossible for researchers to do the research.

@Highest You've been venturing in some cool realms lately.

I watched several of his enlightenment course video and I get the sense he has had Turquoise-level awakening experiences and insights. Yet I also get the sense he is still maturing. Turquoise can be expressed differently through different mind-bodies. Especially if there is some orange/green residue mixed in. Lately, I've been getting in tune with Turquoise devilry. There is much more going on in Turquoise than I imagined. It's a whole nother world where few humans reside. Yet those that do and walk the earth have different forms.

Surrendering to the realization that egoic free will is an illusion is part of evolving to post-egoic conscious states. Once I hit post-egoic states, the desire to explore the nature of free-will dissolved. There is a much stronger desire to enter post-egoic states. From a post-egoic perspective let's explore new realms. I don't care if we call it egoic decisions, infinite decisions, a hamster or a cartwheel. There is a calling to enter the magnificence of post-egoic being. For me, falling asleep is a good analogy. When I lay down in bed, if the personal ego is active the mind will stay awake, immersed in the personal story. "I should have done XX at work. If she hadn't said blah blah, then yabber yabber wouldn't have happened". To leave the egoic state of consciousness and enter a new state of consciousness (sleep), the personal egoic dynamics need to relax, surrender and let it happen. I'm not concerned with figuring out what force is guiding that process, if any. I just want to fall asleep. Similarly, if there is desire to transfer from an egoic state of consciousness to a collective state of consciousness, it is a somewhat similar process. The personal egoic dynamics need to relax, surrender and let it take over. I'm not concerned with intellectually figuring out who/what is making the decisions. I want to enter the direct experience of being in these expanded conscious states. Hyper mind-body awareness. Healing one's own body. Paranormal frequencies with other awakened beings. Being past, present and future in the Now. That is where the juice is for my mind-body right now. The only reason I would want to figure out the "free will" or "decision" part is if it can help me enter those states. Otherwise, it's just building more cognitive constructs. I can see how that would be very appealing to other mind-bodys and it was for me for a long time. Just not right now.

@Wisebaxter How can I choose to fall asleep if I have no free wiil? I relax, surrender and let it take over.

Just a general comment. Be aware if someone is genuine in their development. Genuine has some fundamental features, yet it may be appear differently at different developmental stages. I had very different views when I was at Orange and I wasn’t always graceful. I got in several debates defending my rationalist views as I worked through it. Yet, I was genuinely trying to personally develop. It’s part of the process. Green and Yellow level users didn’t hold me to the standard of their own stage. They could have bullied me with advanced modes of being and thinking, yet they didn’t. They met me where I was at and helped pull me up. At the collective conscious level of the forum, that’s the name of the game: to increase the conscious level of the collective consciousness. It’s a big part of Tier2 being. Helping beings through red, blue, orange and green stages have very different dynamics. Unleashing a yellow-level can of post-egoic whoop-ass on them is often counter-productive. With that said, there are also situations when a being is motivated to cause conflict, harm and has a hidden agenda. Yet that’s not what I’m seeing here.

I vote yes for pruning. This thread is about asking and sharing about preparations, technique and direct experience with 5-meo. Not pontificating about what 5-meo might be like, how it isn’t real awakening and how it is inferior to other methods (generally by users who haven’t even tried it). I’d also recommend pruning all the posts trying to get the thread back on topic (such as this one). Someone trying to use this thread as a 5-meo guide would have to work through a lot of weeds to find relevant info.

@Outer I’m confident I could tell the difference between placebo and a 10ug micro-dose. Yet I have a lot of experience and in tune with mind-body sensations. Micro, mini, standard, heavy and heroic doses all have diiferent effects. I’ve done them all. I could see how novices might have a strong placebo effect and those controls are necessary in micro-dose experiments. As well, individual sensitivities vary.

10 Ox pictures is one of my favs. Interesting observation. I would agree. People seem to get much more open-minded at high Green and then it skyrockets at Yellow.

Of course. I would also consider vitamins as being healthy. Yet, they could also be used for nefarious purposes by a devilish being. It is context-dependent. Some forum users were at red-blue a year ago and are now working through orange. It is great to see. I like to encourage people to grow at whatever place they are at. What I would consider to be unhealthy Orange is very obvious.

Microdosing has an effect for a lot of people, myself included. Microdosing is like steroids for high green to yellow individuals. I lose the ability to do detailed analysis, yet my capacity for creativity, big picture thinking, integration, abstract thinking etc. is greatly enhanced on microdoses. Your description of psychedelic benefits and experience doesn't sound like you have used them much.

There are benefits and risks involved, yet those numbers are way off. It's inconsistent with many population studies that have examined benefit and harm.

My understanding is that there is uncertainty about increased risk factors regarding family and personal history of psychosis. As well, the frontal lobe of the brain is still developing until one's early 20s. I would be super cautious and might try micro-dosing. (1/20 to 1/10 of a full dose. 5ug to 10ug). Micro-dosing is below threshold and can give a boost to creativity and insights.

That's a really nice poem describing layers of resolution. Thanks.

This is what evolving through healthy orange looks like. Nice work @CreamCat ??

Indeed ?

I must have done thought labeling over 100,000 times during meditation over the years. I had some glimpses and experiences, yet never broke through.

@Belay kelemework What comes prior to these ideas in your mind? What is there if you let go of attachments and identification to these ideas? There you will find a deeper truth.

That is one way of looking at it. There is an amazing exploration available here. The mind-body is conditioned to identify as the existence in the play. Which is great, I’m not suggesting it isn’t real or to get rid of it. Rather, see if you can temporarily let go of that personal existence and explore that “something” in the background. It’s super cool. Then you can return to the existence of the player. There is magnificence beyond imagination within that background. You can access it because that background is as much you as the player is you. It may be reaching out to you. Try an experiment: don’t try to figure it out. Relax the mind and body and dissolve into that background. Almost like the optical illusions of the young and old woman. The young woman may appear first, yet when the mind relaxes, the okd woman appears.