Forestluv

Only if a panther is chasing the person in a dark jungle. I hope you realize that each “what’s it like to be enlightened?” question adds 17 days to how long until you become enlightened. ?

I want a Baxter doll. ?

That is a common reaction. You may get called back or you may get drawn to personal desires. I would follow your true desires. I spent years pretending I was a “spiritual” character. People told ne to “fake it until I make it”. Yet my heart and true desire wasn’t really into it. Looking back it was kinda counter-productive. I would just be mindful not to hurt others. For example, I would refrain from misleading and/or manipulating women to satisfy sexual desires. The “Love Is a Battlefield” game takes a big toll on the mind-body.

Realization of The Story and that something exists beneath The Story is a profound realization, yet only one aspect of awakening. A child without a conditioned story and identity has a clear conscience state of one aspect. Similarly, a dog has a clear conscious state from one aspect. Yet those are hairs on the Ox’s tail. That realization opens a door - to many conscious states to awaken to. Also, there are other doors. Those are a couple of rooms in a Grand Hotel.

@Cortex ?? ?‍♂️

Try it out and see how it fits ya.

@Aakash It is as if you are trying to catch a flying eagle and put it in a cage to own it. Turquoise doesn’t work like that. I would focus on practice and direct experience. Let go as much as you can and open yourself to what might be revealed. Communication in Turquoise realms is very different than traditional communication. Imagine the whole world was blind and everyone in history was blind. One night you are hanging out with soneone and suddenly the two of you can see. Your mode of communication would dramatically change. It would be beyond anything you could imagine. Only you and the other person would understand it. How could you explain it to the blind people? This is much more radical than you are aware of.

Logic is the domain of Orange. Turquoise is three conscious levels higher. Logic is within Turquoise, yet is much more expansive. Try to explain your what your neighborhood is like without using any words that contain a vowel. It’s really hard to do, no?

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You are taking the map as the territory. . . There is nothing wrong about conceptualizing about the map, just be aware it's the map, not the territory. Personally, I would rather have direct experience with the territory. For example, I would rather spend a week exploring the actual territory of Australia than sit around the whole week discussing a map of Australia. After an hour discussing the map, I'd be like "Enough of the map. Let's go see some Koala Bears and Kangaroos!!". Maps are useful to an extent, yet just as a guide. The real juice in life is in the territory.

Nor will you be able to in the future. Turquoise is post-logic. A mind needs to let go of logic to enter this realm. You won't figure it out or be able to explain it logically. This is part of ego surrender - to surrender control of the mental narrative. For example, explain to me in logical terms this sentence: "The gablish tecklot in the crisdort during plaktok" A logical mind will dismiss this as being illogical nonsense that has nothing to do with it's desire or purpose. Notice how your mind has already dismissed Turquoise pointers and tried to downgrade them as Yellow. Turquoise is unpalatable to the ego. Yet, minds with direct experience in Turquoise would understand the nonsensical sentence above . . . but not how you think they would.

@UDT Direct experience, beingness and theory are inter-related. Yet, many minds become off-balance toward theory at the expense of direct experience and being.

@flowboy I've gone through this mind-body dynamic and know how intense it is. The mind-body will try to behave in a way it thinks will keep the relationship going (e.g. "I better not text her again because I may look desperate"). Ime, this is not the healthiest way to go. The underlying mind-body dynamic that needs to get addressed is the sense of being incomplete and insecure. When the mind-body is with the gal, there is temporary relief from insecurity/anxiety and a temporary sense of being complete. Yet, the incomplete/insecure dynamic will return and continue on, until the underlying issue is addressed. This is just my opinion based on my experience. . . To me, this looks like a counter-intuitive situation. As hard as it is to do, I would sit and get grounded with the sense of insecurity and attachment. I would try to get enough detachment that I could discuss the dynamic with her without any attachment. This is a very high level of emotional maturity. . . Sometime when you are with her, the conversation might go something like this "I was doing some introspective work and noticed a mixture of attraction and fear arising. I thought 'how interesting'. So, I observed this energy to get to the root of it's source. After some contemplation it seems like. . . " Being genuine and grounded with fearless vulnerability is a sign of a mature confident man. Yet, it can't be said in a clutchy "don't leave me" desperate way. Also, it can't be said with too much intensity. Don't make it some huge deal and bring in stuff about childhood, past failed relationships, therapy that didn't work etc. You've got to say it from a detached, curious, genuine, grounded position. As if you were talking about a friend you care about. People pick up on neediness and clutchiness and it is unattractive. As well, the timing is important. I would only do this if you want a meaningful relationship based on mutual support with who you really are. If you want a sexual fling, I would not go this route and I would work on role playing development (you would essentially be playing an actor with her that is not the true you). If you go the meaningful relationship route, it's not easy. It took me years to get grounded enough to have these types of conversations. You've got to be ok with either reaction from her. She may say "You are a beta male. I'm looking for more of an alpha male. Sorry. See ya". Yet, that is good to know if you want a meaningful relationship, you can move on. Or she may say something on the same wavelength like "hmmm, I've experienced that too in life. I've never really thought about it like that. I've been doing some self-love practices lately that have helped". It won't be this exact phrase, yet something that creates a connection, support and continues a mutual exploration. If so, you are GOLDEN. You can now discuss this dynamic with her without fear and anxiety and it's something the two of you could work through. If this dynamic has been a pattern in the mind-body, it will continue to arise. Trying to repress it or hide it in the relationship doesn't work. It will get expressed one way or another. I've been in every combination of this dynamic. I dated a gal I was really really into and had this conversation and she dropped me because I wasn't "manly" enough in a traditional sense (good riddance to her). Another woman I was into became super attracted by this level of emotional awareness and with the strength of fearless vulnerability. We began to get to know each other below the surface - it's so much deeper.

@UDT Be aware of the mind’s tendency to go from one extreme to another. A mind that is grasping at theory may realize limits of theory and flip to the opposite view that theory is bad and may try to push it away.

Exactly, there is a lot of nonverbal essence in Turquoise that appears nonsensical from the perspective of other levels. Imagine someone in a group tells a nonsensical joke in a group of people. Everyone starts laughing except one person. That person says “I don’t get it. Can you explain to me why the joke is funny?” The joke teller responds “It’s not something that can be explained. If I tried to explain it, it wouldn’t be funny anymore”.

@Aakash Language and concepts break down at Turquoise. It’s more about being and direct experience than conceptualizing and intellectualizing.

@Aakash I think you are entering areas that cannot be explained in rational, logical terms and I would be aware of humans that try to do so. I've had many Turquoise-level experiences, yet I am not Turquoise-centered. My baseline conscious level is below Turquoise and I don't feel qualified to give you an answer from a Turquoise-grounded perspective. As well, there are very very few Turquoise-centered humans and it is an area with a lot of exploration. I can say that much of Turquoise involves hyper-intuition, hyper-connectiveness and beingness. At first, it can seem very "paranormal". So your question kinda gets recontextualized at the Turquoise level.

@NoSelfSelf I find it best to be honest about my true desires and to pursue my true desires in a healthy way. I had many Orange-level personal goals I pursued for many years (and still do). As well, it is not all or nothing. 80% of your time could be oriented to pursuing Orange-level areas and 20% pursuing Green-level areas. Also, you could aim to get "toofers". For example, pursuing something that gives you personal achievement and recognition (orange), yet also increases the wellness of the community (green). For example, one could design a technological gadget that would make them a lot of money - yet the gadget might not help the welfare of the community - such as a gadget that allows people to sneak alcohol into sporting events. Or one could design a gadget that gives them personal gain, yet also contributes to the wellness of a community. For example, one could say the developer of Fitbit gained a lot of individual success and income, yet offered a product that encouraged people to exercise more - thus increasing the wellness of society. Orange is about being true to yourself and not living someone else's life. I would just encourage that it be done in a way that doesn't harm others in the community.

That's a great question. A hallmark of Yellow is integration of perspectives to form a more holistic perspective. For example with mental illness, a yellow-level thinker would synthesis inputs from the environment, trauma, personal relations, psychology, bodily inputs, neuroscience, alterations in gene expression in the brain, chronically elevated cortisol levels etc. Yet as you mention, there are an immense number of variables. A yellow-level thinker may be motivated to discover all inputs and integrate them all together to form a predictive model. Yet at the Turquoise level, how many inputs are there? . . . (infinite). At the Turquoise level, there is understanding that there is one integrated whole and one cannot separate any things from the whole to create an external, objective model. Yet, that is not to say models are not practical at the human level.

@p1xelmonk It was referring to Andrew Yang, not Bernie.

@the_purple_tuba Welcome to the dream.

Your thoughts won't lead you to the direct experience. Those thoughts are muddying the water. Shut off the intellectual mind and start observing.

@Truth Addict I think I've gone through a similar process. It sounds like intellectual intelligence is dominating over emotional and social intelligence. Notice how the mind wants to downgrade emotional and social intelligence by referring to it as a "problem" (in quotes) and subconsciously suggesting it is the other people's problem and how can I best deal with their problem. As well, notice how the mind calls it an "innocent offense problem". The sneaky ego loves to consider itself the innocent good guy. For me, this went on for years and years. I defaulted to the thinking mind and rarely experienced truly deep emotional connections with others. I didn't flow in social groups. I didn't pick up on unstated needs of others. Quite often someone would end up upset and would be bewildered how I didn't know. I would say "Why didn't you just tell me!!??". As I transitioned into Green, I became aware that I was over-intellectual at the expense of emotional and social intelligence. My empathy and intuition was quite low. I had to take responsibility and stop focusing on others. I spent a lot of time developing Green skills of empathy, connection, vulnerability, intuition etc and my emotional and social intelligence has significantly increased. It has opened up a whole new world. It has attracted new friends and a girlfriend at depths of connections I never knew existed. There are emotional and social realms that are unbelievably mind-body blowing. You describe a Green-level deficiency. One of the major lessons of Green is embodying intent vs. impact. Notice how you are focused on intent and just beginning to notice impact. It also relates to subjective experience and developing a strong empathetic ability. For my progress, I decreased my intellectualizing in half and doubled my time working on the emotional/social level.

@MM1988 Direct experience is more profound than intellectualizing. During your mediation, observe your mind as if it was under a microscope. Pay close attention to the arising of thoughts and actions. From where do thoughts, choices and actions arise. Are you the author of your thoughts? Is there a chooser? Is there a doer? Don't get caught into the trap of intellectualizing. The true realization is through direct experience. The mental intellectualization is a distraction and a trick the ego uses to maintain control of the narrative. Don't fall into that trap. Sit and observe intensely. If you dare. . .