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@mandyjw Just an idea. . . It might be helpful to find a couple deeply conscious mothers that have had a similar life situation as you. Perhaps they might have some insight on how to tread that path.

If you wish to be more conscious of holistic views, you will likely attract the opportunity to form Holistic views. There is this desire and there are also some minds that are naturally adept at thinking Holistically. A major aspect of Holistic viewing is "connecting dots" and seeing inter-connectiveness. However, if there are no dots to connect, how can a mind perceive holistically? There would be nothing to inter-connect. I would say it is a balance and curiosity + observation is a key. Observe dots with an open mind. After a mind observes a lot of dots, they start inter-connecting.

I would say it's more about transcending the ego than eliminating the ego. Complete and abiding dissolution of all egoic dynamics is an extremely high bar and extremely rare. Like becoming a four-time olympic gold medalist in the marathon, gymnastics, snowboarding and weightlifting. I suppose it's conceivably possible, yet I wouldn't want to hold my standard of success to that standard. And I wouldn't spend much time wondering what that type of life would be like. Another perspective is that the "ego" is actually an illusion. Therefore, it has already been eliminated (since there was never an ego to eliminate). It is just a matter of waking up to this.

Notice how the extra change you added completely re-contextualizes my statement. I did not say I don't accept your claim as part of a larger reality. In fact I explicitly said it is a relative truth. It is a partial truth within a more expansive holistic Truth. Therefore, it is not a universal objective truth.

In your reality that appears to be true. Yet I would not accept that statement as a universal objective truth.

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@mandyjw It's not just about religion. It is all things humans hold dearly. What if there was a thread mocking those who are suicidal, children that have been abused or a forum member with cerebral palsy? There are some contexts that are unhealthy at the community level. Yet as you indicate, one can go too far to the opposite side of the spectrum and get too controlling and serious. It isn't always cut and dry. Sometimes there are grey areas. What happened, was that I saw the relative truth within a counter-perspective and I went a bit too far toward that perceptive. That upset a couple users with the other relative perspective (that also has relative value). I'm learning, growing and evolving too. If this dynamic appears again, I would handle it slightly differently and hopefully things would flow a bit smoother. For this reason, I appreciate and thank you for this feedback. I have updated my rationale within the thread. It may be a too late, yet it's the best I can do at this point.

@mandyjw It involves intention and impact at the collective level. In my view you are looking at one relative perspective. I see and understand that relative perspective. Yet consider the collective perspectives. What about the relative perspectives of Hindu members on the board PMing me about that thread? Now I am getting criticism from a couple members that I went too far toward another perspective. In hindsight, could I have re-phrased my statement to be more sensitive to the perspective that you offer? Yes. It is a difficult balance at times and I am still learning how to thread these needles. It's hard to do it gracefully sometimes.

Construction and deconstruction. Deconstruction and construction. I try not to get too attached to either.

I've found at deeper levels, there is an essence of "I'm not good enough". This can manifest in various sensations and perceptions - including the one you described above. I've found this dynamic to be important to observe and deconstruct so it is no longer a distraction and block to awakenings and development. For example, how can I develop higher level intuitive abilities if my mind-body is immersed in feelings and thought stories about how I'm not good enough at "xyz". And I've definitely been immersed in this dynamic before. . . To me, it looks like you are asking questions that dig into the deeper underlying psychological dynamics fueling these feelings and thought stories. It is very tempting to focus externally on the behavior of others and wanting to control external dynamics - yet for me, an an inside dynamic I need to deconstruct.

I don’t know. The sequential order of the two words? ?‍♂️ To me, both phrases point to the same thing and I don’t see a relevant distinction.

@Paul92 A couple things I found helpful. . . . Kriya and Yin yoga can be a great form of mediation for busy minds because your mind-body is sorta doing something. Sometimes natural breathing isn’t quite enough for grounding for my mind-body. As well, I just try to relax into the depth if whatever is revealed. If I have some idea or goal I’m supposed to reach some sort of empty peace and try to manipulate to reach that state - it doesn’t flow so well. There can be insights and magic trying to reveal itself while my ego is trying to reach some blank state of mind. Regarding “choice”. . . One meditative exercise I’ve done is to watch thoughts as they arise and observe where they cone from. It’s fascinating. The same for choice. As you meditate observe “choice”. Who exactly is this chooser? It’s not intellectual and cannot be found text. The realization is only found in your direct experience. As you mediate watch for the chooser. The chooser that chooses thoughts, that chooses yo wiggle, that chooses to reach out and check the timer. Exactly what/who is this “chooser”. I discovered I had made a lot of assumptions about choice. It’s not something the intellectual self figures out - it cones “prior” to that in direct experience

@kieranperez You may be interested in Robert Moss. He integrates dreams and spirituality well. In particular “Conscious Dreaming”

@Dodo Beautiful ♥️ ?

@positivevibes I’ve found it helps to just blend in. If I take a meditative posture and start staring at a wall when I’m in a group of people, it can look odd and draw attention. I just try to relax my mind, be present and aware.

@kindayellow For years I wanted to get on The Amazing Race. Yet not so much these days.

Full surrender goes even deeper than that. One must also surrender the capacity to make those decisions. The self completely loses all control of the narrative. It can't decide anything. It can't do anything. It can't change whatever is happening or make whatever is happening stop.

A bizarre distortion and immature mockery of Sadhguru's teaching on Hinduism. Edit: After feedback from a couple members, I can see how the above statement is a bit too strong. It would be better to rephrase it to say this thread has devolved into immature mockery and sex jokes regarding a spiritual being/concept, which doesn't hold much substance toward spiritual growth and understanding - and can be counter-productive to those engaged in this area of spirituality.

How can we communicate on two different frequencies? How can we communicate speaking two different languages? I never said you were a devil or unconscious.

@Andreas I understand your view. We are not connecting and resonating. I’m not suggesting you are less than me. We are on different frequencies. As if we are speaking two different languages.

I have. What I am trying to explain to you is not resonating with you.

It’s not how I feel. It’s based on direct experience. As I’ve said, I’ve taught over 1,000 students. That is a large sample size. You are at the extreme end of closed-mindedness and it is the reason you haven’t learned anything in this discussion. You can avoid that if you wish, yet that will prevent you from learning and expanding your mind. You have attracted conflict with many people on the forum. The common denominator is. . . you.

I’ve spent over 25 years studying, researching and teaching genetics. I know this stuff and you don’t. I would love to help you. I’ve taught this to over 1,000 university students. Unfortunately you are unteachable due to several psychological dynamics you refuse to look at. If you decide to attend a University, I strongly encourage you to work through this block or you will struggle at the University level

You are not listening to me.