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@DrewNows I would be comfortable calling what you describe as a form of temporary psychosis.

“ “mind trapped in resistance unable to surrender” My statement was based off of that definition you gave.

My statement was based on your definition - which was based on surrender.

@DrewNows In some forms of insanity, surrender is not an option. There is nothing to surrender and nothing to surrender to. In the example I gave of my friend and her mon - surrender wasn’t an option. I’m reluctant to define insanity because such a definition is a privilege of the sane.

@DrewNows Your definition / description is not aligned with my personal experiences of insanity or my experience volunteering with patients in a psychiatric unit. I would not consider your definition to be insanity, yet I would say could be a component of a psychotic episode. Yet I’m not a trained expert in this area and it’s fine if others hold different views. To me, your definition sounds like anxiety on a psychedelic prior to ego death.

This is not like my experiences, yet I can see how it could be for others.

I would say no. Stick your hand in a fire and tell me if the experience is completely dependent on one’s perspective. The direct experience carries much more weight for me than an intellectual analysis. I had a friend who believed her mother was dying and only she could save her mother, yet she didn’t know how. She became paralyzed and flipped out. That is until the psych unit arrived and put her in a straight jacket as she screamed yo save her mother. For two days she believed she killed her mother. Absolute hell. . . . To me, that hellish suffering is not dependent on what her perspective of insanity was.

To me, the original quote trivializes the direct experience of insanity by reducing it to a label. I don’t care what word is used. I’m more concerned about the direct experience. And the direct experience is not dependent upon an intellectual pov or label.

The Mile High city! This would give national exposure and increase awareness. Oregon votes to legalize shrooms next year.

Well. . . Nithyananda also got a solid from his Twin Flame. You think he learned his Slow Jamz in an ashram? I think not. Nithyananda flows like an Eastern Luther Vandross.

Yea, Sister Gertrude. . . ? Surviving the 4th grade with her should qualify as a miracle.

That not how it was taught to me in CCD class. I like your interpretation much better! ???

No way Kanye ascended to the Lebron of Rhyme naturally. He was on Nithyananda Juice.

That’s an interesting description - not how I would personally describe it. What dosages and ROA did you use?

@mandyjw I would say one of the deepest human desires is to return “home”. Which is Now.

@Swagala One concept that resonates with me is the image of a horizontal timeline and a vertical Now. There are awakenings in both dimensions, yet it seems most human minds put 99% of their focus on the horizontal dimension and believe the vertical Now awakenings can be “achieved” along the horizontal timeline. Ultimately, all awakenings occur in the vertical Now dimension, yet often get contextualized into a horizontal story or experience

I don’t think it’s that simple. On the one hand, observation, learning and knowing has allowed release of many blocks and opened up openness, space and freedom. Yet on the other hand, I had to let go and “unlearn” a lot of stuff. There is also a state of not-knowing that is peaceful/blissful. Yet I’d say it’s a deeper form of “ignorance”. Not really the way most people use it.

Thank you ?. I think I’m delving into the deeper, more subtle aspects of my psychological dynamics and what you wrote is helpful.

Ime, psychedelics can stretch the boundaries of reality. Yet they can also take a mind into insanity zones in extreme cases. It’s temporary, yet during the experience, sense of time can dissolve and experience is it will never end and there is no way out. I agree on the personal interpretations. There are some people that mean well, yet have not had the direct experience. As well, I’ve had temporary episodes that I would consider insane, as well as others who have experienced insanity. Yet I’m also aware that I have limited experience in this area and have only experienced a few forms of insanity. There are many others I have not experienced. It’s like someone who burned themself touching a stove one time telling a victim who got burned alive in a house fire “Yea, I know how it is. I’ve gotten burned myself”. They may mean well, yet just don’t understand the degrees of intensity.

I think there are different interpretations of “insane”. The hardcore deeper insane stuff is serious. I can’t see how a mind could respond “Haha” to it. I’m terrified of returning there and I take a lot of pre-cautions so I don’t return there. Yet there is also a lighter form of “insanity” we commonly discuss light-heartedly.

What if a person still acts as a devil, with awareness they are acting as a devil? Would we consider them an angel?

This has not been my experience. To me, that idea sounds like a sane perspective on insanity. A couple of my episodes had no thoughts involved. In my experience with insanity, there is no thinking about whether it’s sane or insane. There is no rational thought process comparing the activity in my head to others. It’s not rational, it’s insane. . . . I’m not referring to mild stuff like ideas that I may have a paranormal skill and worry others might think I’m insane. There are insane levels much much deeper that I would not wish on anyone. Like being trapped in an insane reality. It can go into some horrifying stuff.

@Swagala You are tapping into something deeper. Nice work ??

I can’t speak on his enlightenment package, yet the way he trills RRs is absolutely beautiful. I think 30 days of listening to those long trills has a shot at inducing a breakthrough.