Forestluv

Along these lines, the idea of “permanent” is along the horizontal timeline. It’s a construct. There is also the awareness of the vertical line Now - which is free of time and notions of permanence within a construct of time. I think this is similar to what you wrote, with different wording. I think it’s an important point. My sense is about 99% of people’s attention is immersed within the horizontal timeline.

Oregon votes to legalize shrooms in 2020. The polling has the measure deadlocked. There are a ton of undecideds.

Yes, yet I think those are just words. I don’t think you’ve realized and embodied it. One thing that helped me was to sit down and observe for the chooser. Is the chooser and neuron. A group of neurotransmitters? Is the chooser a thought? A feeling? Is the chooser a memory? Is the chooser the story of a chooser. I found focused inquiry to be helpfully

@EvilAngel Verbs simply arise. Just like bird chirps arise. There is no chooser. If you want to break through, I would suggest sitting down and be in the lookout for this chooser. Just observe and wait for this chooser to arise. See what you find in your experience. Swimming around in mental la-la land won’t get you any closer yo the realization imo. Sit down and find out for yourself.

@EvilAngel Free will is an idea that offers a sense of control to the mind-body and allows an ego to stay in the game. It also has practical value in terms of survival and evolution. Upon closer observation, awareness arises that there is nothing to have this free will. Ime, this is one if the core realizations in terms of awakening/ expansion. Identification and attachment to an idea of feee will is highly contractive. Determinism is yet another idea of the mind. The flip side of the dualism. And it can most certainly be proven. . . in your direct experience. Sit and look for that “chooser” that has free will. Sit until you find it. . .

Not to me. It didn’t even occur to me.

@Shin It’s so bad, it’s good. Perhaps it transcends the bad / good dualism into Absolute Good? ?

@Shin I occasionally played that song in a laboratory I worked in to get a rise out of my coworkers. What a lil’ devil I was ?

You seem to be conflating absolute and relative. If the Universe is a unified whole, there is no thing outside of that unified whole. There is no thing to be “out of sync”. It is One thing. We can of course add in a relative duality and discuss “out of sync” and “in sync”. We could discuss relative definitions, personal experience, nuances, inter-connections between “out” and “in” sync etc. This is all fine and dandy. It’s great stuff. Yet it not the transcendence of the “out of sync” vs “in sync” duality. The unified whole you mention transcends the dualistic out of sync and in sync dualism you mention.

That’s not my experience with psychedelics, yet I understand that perspective. There are things seen that cannot be unseen. There is an awakening from a dream state that fundamentally changes how a being interacts with it’s environment. There is an awakening to Now. It’s not so much what narrative is playing, it is the attachment/ identification to that narrative. For example, there is a narrative appearing in my mind right now, yet my mind and body is not attached or identified to it. The narrative floating through my mind has no more relevance than the sounds of bird chirps floating through my mind right now. There is also deconditiining the mind-body - which is often a long process. Here, psychedelics can also be helpful as a therapeutic personal development tool. Ime, psychedelics are a powerful awakening and personal development tool. I worked 20+ years toward awakening and personal development without taking a single drug - not even a sip of alcohol. I then made years worth of progress in months, by adding in moderate use of psychedelics in combination with a rigorous meditation, yoga and contemplation to integrate. Based on my experience, I would say psychedelics can save a person years of time and effort. Yet each mind-body resonates differently with psychedelics. One needs to be mindful of their current stage of development. It seems like a baseline level of stability and maturity is helpful when using psychedelics in spirituality and personal development. It sounds like your mind-body has resistance toward psychedelics and is mot calked toward them. That’s fine. That’s where I was at for 20+ years. There are many paths to take. I’ve taken many and each has some value.

You appear to be immersed within a narrative. There is an awareness that includes that narrative, yet expands well beyond that narrative. Ime, the key to such expansion is recognizing and letting go of attachments and identification to the narrative. There are many ways to do that. Psychedelics are a very effective tool in doing that, yet psychedelics don’t resonate with all mind-bodies. For some, other methods are better. I hope you find what works best for you ?

That seems like a reasonable perspective. Ime, that storyline dissolved and something new arose.

I would do a trial run with a light dose of 5-meo to “refresh”. I would also drop the narrative that it will hit me 1,000x harder. For me, that would increase anxiety.

@Aldo I’ll take that to mean you have no 5-meo experience and are only speculating what it might be like.

@ivankiss Your experience seems to differ than mine. Thanks for sharing your experience so openly, I found it interesting and learned something.

@DrewNows I mean temporary in the sense it’s not untreated schizophrenia or bi-polar and wasn’t recurrent for years. That would likely be a different recovery and contextualization.

@DrewNows I would be comfortable calling what you describe as a form of temporary psychosis.

“ “mind trapped in resistance unable to surrender” My statement was based off of that definition you gave.

My statement was based on your definition - which was based on surrender.

@DrewNows In some forms of insanity, surrender is not an option. There is nothing to surrender and nothing to surrender to. In the example I gave of my friend and her mon - surrender wasn’t an option. I’m reluctant to define insanity because such a definition is a privilege of the sane.

@DrewNows Your definition / description is not aligned with my personal experiences of insanity or my experience volunteering with patients in a psychiatric unit. I would not consider your definition to be insanity, yet I would say could be a component of a psychotic episode. Yet I’m not a trained expert in this area and it’s fine if others hold different views. To me, your definition sounds like anxiety on a psychedelic prior to ego death.

This is not like my experiences, yet I can see how it could be for others.

I would say no. Stick your hand in a fire and tell me if the experience is completely dependent on one’s perspective. The direct experience carries much more weight for me than an intellectual analysis. I had a friend who believed her mother was dying and only she could save her mother, yet she didn’t know how. She became paralyzed and flipped out. That is until the psych unit arrived and put her in a straight jacket as she screamed yo save her mother. For two days she believed she killed her mother. Absolute hell. . . . To me, that hellish suffering is not dependent on what her perspective of insanity was.

To me, the original quote trivializes the direct experience of insanity by reducing it to a label. I don’t care what word is used. I’m more concerned about the direct experience. And the direct experience is not dependent upon an intellectual pov or label.

The Mile High city! This would give national exposure and increase awareness. Oregon votes to legalize shrooms next year.