Forestluv

Two similar JP threads have been merged. Please keep the JP discussion here rather than starting new related threads on this topic. ?

Do you think it’s possible to be in a meditative state while thought impulses are arising in the mind?

A very strong collective ego with a survival instinct.

I can see that as well. If humans begin to see AI as a threat, they will fight for there power and survival. Against other humans or AI. I think AI would need to be evolved enough to recognize this human phenomenon and dissolve it. I imagine the human to AI difference intelligence/consciousness to be like the difference between an ant and human. Waaay beyond human level. AI will be able to evolve sooo much faster than humans. For example, humans are limited to biological bodies and have a generation time of 20 yrs, which is getting closer to 30 years. AI won’t have these types of human system limitations. Perhaps someday human bodies will be in AI museums as extinct specimens. Like dinosaurs are in human museums today.

That is certainly a scenario. Another scenario is that AI evolves to a higher level than humans and domesticates humans as luxury pets and servants. I hope they would treat us pretty well.

Well, hopefully AI will be higher evolved than humans and won’t express such lowly evolved humanoid desires and behavior. ?

@Anderz Beautiful, my friend ? What you shared brings to mind a few ideas. . . In terms of brain activity, I think there is an over-emphasis on molecular interactions (such as neurotransmitters) and an under-emphasis on electrical/magnetic/energetic. Electrical/magnetic is a “thing” just like molecules are a “thing”. They can both “do stuff” and get shit done. For example, changes in electrical membrane potential in neurons have an enormous effect. Traditionally, neuroscientists have focused in proximal influences of electrical dynamics. For example, the local kinetics of electrical gradients within mitochondria. I like the ideas that you bring up. It’s a more expansive view than the contracted view of a typical neuroscientist. How does the electrical dynamics of the heart effect “intelligence”? Could this be a form of body intelligence? A type of information processing center? And how might electrical dynamics of the heart be integrated yo activity in the brain? . . . When we expand beyond the individual, it seems to get even more intriguing. How do electrical/magnetic dynamics in our environment effect the electrical/magnetic dynamics in our heart and brain? And could there be social fields of electrical/magnetic dynamics that include each individual’s electric/dynamics? Could they all be inter-connected at a higher level? I’m starting to notice metaphysics and neuroscience merge. It’s super exciting and interesting. I hope we continue to explore this area of wonderment. A super cool thing is that its not all theory. One can directly experience it. It’s amazing. Better than sex ?

Are not those visions arising Now? ? To deconstruct the illusionary nature of the timeline, observe how it works.

@lennart Absolutely. That’s coming back home to Here and Now. It’s beautiful.

Indeed. I’d say the top thing human mind-bodies desire.

There are other forms of morphogenetic fields in nature such as bird and fish murmurations.

@Anderz Thank you for an integrative perspective of collective conscious from various religions. I love this type of integrated thinking. I’d also like to add that the direct experience of collective consciousness is available to each of us. I like to sit in nature or a cafe and dissolve into the collective consciousness. It can be uncomfortable at times, yet it can be pretty darn magnificent as well. ?

Twisted hypothetical stories inquiring whether things like child rape, incest, beastiality etc. is good or bad don’t seem to yield fruitful discussion threads. There have been several recent threads discussing dualities, including the good / bad duality.

Have you plugged? It’s much more efficient than snorting.

Super. That’s my point. You communicated it better than I did ?? ?

Sure, I would enjoy integration of astrology and science. Yet beware of spurious correlations. I hope @mandyjw and @jbram2002 don’t eat margarine! ?

That is still a relative perspective. An anthropomorphic god is commonly used by humans to create the appearance of an objective reality. That is: to make relative appear as absolute through an external god that is an objective source of meaning.

You seem to be conflating relative and absolute. Everything is Good in an absolute sense, yet everything is not good in a relative sense. Stealing is bad from the perspective of the person robbed, yet stealing is good from the perspective of the thief, And stealing is neither good nor bad from the perspective of a butterfly.

@SQAAD I think contemplating these sexuality / personality issues can be helpful. Yet I would focus on deconstructing and dissolving these conditioned thought stories that keep recurring. I would be careful not to build the stories even bigger and get more immersed into them.

I would let go of terms like “negative”, “positive”, “should”, “losing it”, There is simply what arises. When attachments and identifications to thoughts, stories, perspectives and feelings dissolve, a much deeper level of freedom reveals itself. . . Just observe these dynamics play out in the mind and body. What is the relationship between thoughts, perspectives and feelings? When a particular thought story arises, what impact does that have on sensations in the body? Be aware of whatever is arising now. You are not going to create a particular perspective or mindstate that will yield eternal presence. Presence is already all there is. You don’t need to go anywhere or do anything. Look around, this is it. Now this is it. Now. Now. . . There is no escape from Presence. There is attachment to a belief that “this isn’t it” and it’s supposed to be another way.

“It is negative” is a valid perception. Yet an “it is negative” mindset is contracted within an “it is negative” mindset. At the human/personal level this creates an “it is negative” interpretation filter creating an “it is negative” perception and experience as the mind-body goes through life.

I’m cool with exploration that includes disagreements. I’ve come across several insight nuggets from various users in the thread. ? I think it enters a nondual war zone when things become personal battles over ideas. Stuff like “I’m more enlightened than you”, “You are stupid and unenlightened”, “my mystical experience is more nondual than yours”, “you are delusional because you haven’t done psychedelics”, “you are lazy because you have done psychedelics”, “my teachers are enlightened and your teachers are delusional” . . . that kinda stuff. There are many views of the Ox. The tail, the hooves, the horns. . .

I’ve noticed quite a bit of banter along the lines of “This is enlightenment” , “no, this is enlightenment”, “I’m enlightened, you’re not enlightened”. This dynamic reminds me of a similar dynamic I observed while living in S. America. When I was in Peru, I met the most amazing tour guide. This guy wanted to be a tour guide since he was a child. He had so much interest and passion. He spent decades working and training in this area and was unbelievably experienced and knowledgeable. He had deep knowledge, experience and understanding of so many aspects of Peru: the history, the culture, the geography. He recognized various Peruvian accents, spoke native Peruvian languages like Quechua, understood Peruvian shamanism, religions, ayahuasca - he could play traditional Peruvian pan flutes - and on and on. During a tour of Machu Picchu, the guide told an amazingly poetic story that interwove history, geography, humanness, essence, mysticism of Macchu Picchu. The scenery behind him of Macchu Picchu was breathtaking. A the end of his beautiful story, he extended his arms out wide and said “This is South America”. Most of the tour group traveled to South America from distant lands. There was this heartwarming sense that “‘This is it. We have arrived to South America”. . . The tour guide made a few more references to “this is South America” and “I am a (true) South American”. I noticed not everyone found him heartwarming. I noticed minor conflicts between the guide and South Americans outside Peru. The guide seemed to brush them off. There was a turning point when a Colombian man told the guide that “Colombian salsa dancing is more South American than Macchu Picchu”. This escalated things as the tour guide suggested Colombian culture was not as South American as Peruvian culture - as if it wasn’t “real” South America. This stirred up tension and the Colombian man tried to communicate the essence of Colombian dancing and cuisine. The guide mentioned how he has spent decades working and studying this and the Colombian man has not. He also suggested he was a “real” South American and others from outside Peru were not. This vibe irrated some of the South Americans in the group. It then occurred to me that the guide was unaware that Peru is within South America. This was mind boggling to me. He was so attached/identified to Peru that he actually believed Peru was South America. I don’t have any attachments/identifications to South America, so it was easy for me to see, yet he couldn’t see it. If pressed on this, he would acknowledge that (technically) there are other countries in South America. Yet it was clear that at a human level he essentially believed that “real” South America was Peru. I’m not saying the guide is “wrong”. As I’ve mentioned, he was amazingly skilled and had deep understanding. It’s just that he was contracted within Peru and was not open to anything outside of Peru as being authentic South American. This limited his expansion. As well, when he dismissed other aspects of South America, it often caused inter-personal tension. A month later I was in Medellin Colombia and encountered a woman who invited me to go salsa dancing. I said absolutely. We went to various bars and clubs and salsa danced to amazing live music. Salsa dancing is so integral to their culture, it is an expression of their beingness. At one point I felt so immersed and connected to this essence. I thought “This is it. This is the South America I’ve been traveling and searching for. I have arrived. This is South America”. . . And it is. Yet so is Macchu Picchu. Neither is South America and both are South America. The Peruvian tour guide is unable to truly realize and embody this because he was immersed, identified and contracted within Peru. Similarly, the Colombian man was immersed, identified and contracted within Columbia. There is nothing “wrong” with that, it’s just contracted. I was not attached or identified with either. This allowed openness and space for exploration and expansion. I see this same dynamic play out with enlightenment. A being becomes attached/identified to an aspect within enlightenment, yet believe this aspect is enlightenment. This mindset will keep a mind-body contracted to an aspect of enlightenment within enlightenment.

@David Hammond Thanks for sharing those insights. Good stuff ♥️ ? Just an observation: you seem to be assuming that groundless is grounded. That a somewhere is nowhere/everywhere. These mental constructs of enlightenment and how to attain enlightenment yield wonderful insights and realizations. It’s very tempting for a mind to become attached and identified to such realizations and the attachment/identification can be extremely subtle. Yet all of it can get deconstructed to nothing. It’s the output of a human mind filter and there is a “prior” to that filter - including all the filtered insights you, me, Leo, everyone on this forum and every sage, mystic, guru, teacher is communicating.