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@Nahm The Ancient One : [after forcing Strange to experiencing the alternate dimensions] Have you ever seen *that* before in a gift shop? Strange : Teach me. The Ancient One : No ?

Oh jeez, so tempting cetus. ? ?

@cetus56 Their summer tour doesn’t include Michigan. Bummer ?

@cetus56 One of my favorite songs. If I knew the way, I would take you home ♥️

Now he's gone, now he's gone, Lord he's gone, he's gone Like a steam locomotive, rollin' down the track He's gone, he's gone and nothin's gonna bring him back, he's gone

Nature is so genuine. Nature has no demands, expectations or agenda. Nature is simply an expression of itself. The river flows, the chipmunks scamper, the breeze moves, leaves flutter and birds sing. All in harmony together. Pure Genuine.

omG. . . I need a cold shower. . .

I hope you realize this is the equivalent of a nondual “tease” ? ?

Yes, it’s context dependent. In this context, I agree with you that it is ridiculous. Being able to recognize context relative to one’s own experience is a skill. In another context, that would be wonderful advice. . . .I also agree with you that there are a lot more guys in their 20’s here trying to learn how to date than guys in their 40s trying to reach trans-personal nondual states within a stable relationship. There are a few videos on YT that make fun of nondualists trying to go on regular dates. It can be pretty ridiculous and I think you make a good point ?

How could “nothing” have been? What would have been? ?

@Inliytened1 Yea, QM is super cool. I love how it connects “science” and “mysticism”. ? ♥️

Me as well. Ironically, our discussion of releasing blocks actually helped me to release one of my own blocks and connect a couple dots. ? ?

I don’t identify as a scientist, yet I’m professionally trained as a biologist with an emphasis in cell/development/genetics/neuroscience. I’d say I’m in the scientific/mystic hybrid genre like Deepak Chopra. I have basic knowledge of QM, yet I have not extensively studied it.

@Drake140 Thanks for that example. I think that type of logic can be very useful in identifying and releasing blocks. I know a psychologist that uses similar logic in her approach and it can be very effective. I’m really interested in identifying and releasing mental and bodily blocks so we can expand toward our potential and improve the health of the mind-body as it relates to the world. I appreciate your view. It’s a prompt of contemplation for me ?

Perhaps a photo, please? I’m curious what it looks like. I’m hoping to level up gazing at it ☺️

When you say a feeling blocks the ability to see the next logical gap, are you referring to an intellectual / reasonable framework that gets filled in? Or can it be something “outside” of reason that suddenly makes sense reasonably? For example, I have an interest in releasing feeling/energetic blocks. In particular, to recondition the mind. Yet it’s not like I have a logical theory and I am searching to fill the gaps to form an integrated/holistic theory. That would be super cool, yet not my primary motivation. My primary motivation is to just be able to do it. It could come through relaxed no thinking mind states, deep concentration and observation, psychedelics, neuroscience, logic, “post-logic”, spirit guides, crystals, flow stages, sensory deprivation tanks etc. I don’t care what tool is used, I just want to be able to do it. In your example, I’ve also had moments in which I erase or modify an emotion/memory. Sometimes it’s like “Oh my gosh! It’s so obvious! That totally makes sense!”. And it seems like a gap in reasoning is filled. Like two dots are now connected. Other times, the happening doesn’t make sense. This used to frustrate me and I would try to figure it out. Yet now I don’t feel the same desire to make sense of it. It’s like there is a different form of understanding. Perhaps with enough time and effort, I could make sense of it in a reasonable model, yet I’d much rather have the “understanding” in whatever form - and the ability to do it.

I am as well. It feels like a “higher” form of understanding to me. Or perhaps it’s better to say an “untapped” resource. Like having a sixth sense I never really knew existed.

I also think there is immense potential in expanding logical reasoning models. I think we have barely scratched the surface. Imagine what sophisticated AI will develop. As well, I think there are times in which “post-rational” may appear “post-rational” because it’s a new area of exploration. Something like intuition hasn’t been deeply explored mainstream. We just don’t have words and frameworks to discuss intuition. We say things like “Well intuition is sorta like this. . .Gosh it’s hard to explain in words because it’s post-rational”. . . Now imagine all of humanity explores and investigates intuition as the number one human desire and goal for the next 100 years. Hundreds of new words and rational models would arise.We would discover and observe many aspects and mechanisms of intuition. Gaps in reason and logic would slowly get filled and connected. Humans would become comfortable discussing intuition reasonably. It would eventually be considered rational - no longer post-rational. Is this along the lines of your model? Or am I off?

Do you think it’s possible to have a model that includes logic within the model? Or is it either/or? I.e. it can only be a model that is all logic or a model that is no logic. This isn’t a “gotcha” question. I spent 20 years of my adult life immersed in a purely logical scientific model. I now think it’s possible to have a model that includes logic, yet is not restricted to logic. And I think there is value in pursuing logic, without being limited to logic. Quite often, it seems logic is looked down upon in spiritual circles. Yet I see it as a valuable tool in certain contexts.

@dimitri I think this is a really good question. In my own experience, I’d say there are various forms of understanding. Similar to how there are different forms of experiencing intelligence and love. For example, there is understanding of math and genetics. There is also an understanding within inter-personal relationships. I think we’ve all been in situations where someone is trying to communicate an experience/feeling/issue and the other person just doesn’t “get it”, they just don’t understand. Others times there is an connected understanding and the person may say “yes!yes! That’s it. Finally someone understands me!”. There is also an intuitive form of understanding. A form of “just knowing”. For example, going on a first date and immediately intuitively knowing this ain’t gonna work. You don’t need to analyze the situation and figure out why. You just know.

@SFRL There are different forms/areas of dating and relationships. One can have wisdom and expertise within certain forms/areas. For example, the alpha male strategies guy is highly knowledgeable and skilled in a particular form/area of dating/relationships. That is not my world - my area/form of relationship is very different than AMS. I have experience and wisdom in a different form. It doesn’t reduce his skills and expertise and it doesn’t make me an awkward nerd that can’t get/maintain a relationship. There are dating/relationship situations I can be helpful and situations in which others are more qualified to be helpful. There are dynamics in which I can see your experience and insights can be more helpful than my own. As well, dynamics in which I have a lot of experience and am on the same wavelength as the other person. . . And I agree arum had broad experience/wisdom in dating/relationships and made great contributions to this subforum.

@Aakash It sounds like you are seeking an integrated understanding of mental illness. I would say open-mindedness, exploration, observation and communication are keys. For example, you have cited physical and non-physical aspects of mental illness. Perhaps guided meditations (non-physical) and real-time FMRI brain scans (physical) could allow insight. To take it a step further, let’s bring in a Reiki master and neuroscientist that work together. Perhaps the scans can provide the Reiki master an additional tool of having a high resolution map of energetics - to combine there innate sensing of energetics with a visual map. Perhaps this could help a person recondition and re-wire their mind. I’d like to explore a form of Reiki that uses energetics - not in a generalized energy flow type of way, yet in a specific focused high resolution way. As if the energy is focused and localized like a scalpel or needle. I heard someone mention this is a new emerging field and has a name. Does anyone know the name of this by chance?

Nice observation. . . . Sometimes I wonder what organized yellow-level organizations/companies will look like. I also get the sense that there is potential in this area. It’s exciting to think about, yet I also get a bit worried it would get corrupted by excessive capitalist forces. I think it would need some grounded Yellow leadership with Turquoise and Green mixed in to help relate and connect a broad range of human experiences, desires, needs, issues etc.

I’m sure there are many things that will lead to maturity. What comes to mind for me now is getting to know other people’s perspectives and life experience at a deeper level. Not just talking about opinions about politics, movies, video games etc. Rather, deeper conversations about how our experiences have shaped us - connecting and understanding others at deeper levels. Realizing how much we fundamentally share as humans and appreciating our differences. Traveling and immersing oneself into another culture takes this to another level.