Forestluv

Yea, that’s what it boils down to. I hadn’t thought of it like that.

I had thought the Salem witch trials was a bizarre case of irrational superstitious townsfolk. Yet now that I think about it, there were probably a small percentage of the population that had paranormal abilities. And it was probably harder to hide it back then. The townspeople may have sensed something odd about them and became scared of them. In a way, society is kinda doing a similar thing. Just a 21st century version. It makes it much harder to follow that path. Few teachers, various dangers, being marginalized and ostracized. Imagine if those with abilities were freely able to practice and train. Perhaps paranormals will one day be fighting for equal rights as a minority.

In terms awakening, a teacher can seem overly simple because the mind wants to think and conceptualize. It thinks this is a massive journey with lots of theory and skills to learn. So when one speaks simply of “Now”, “This is it”. “It’s Nothing / Everything”, “Presence” “Just Be” - it is very unsatisfying to a mind that wants to think and theorize. I remember simple teachers seemed like lightweights to me. I would think “She keeps saying the same simple things. I already know all this”. Sometimes they would just sit and stare without saying anything! I was like “c’mon say something wise dude”. Yet I was perceiving it from a position lacking direct experience. . . . Later, I revisited from a perspective of direct experience and was like “whoa. . . that’s it. That’s beautiful”.

Do you think some neurosis in spiritually attuned people are caused, in part, by developing an identity that they are abnormal and trying to be “normal”? (without being aware their “abnormality” is spiritual attunement). For these types of neuroses, awareness would be curative.

I understand your perspective. Thank you for sharing it with me, it is helpful in a certain context and there is an aspect of truth within it. If there is something I might be able to help with, please let me know. ♥️ ?

I’ve already pointed out this filter and that it is creating an illusory character called “serotoninluv” that is delusional and has fried his brain. That will allow your mind to dismiss anything I say - because it will be interpreted as being “woo woo”, “delusional”, “emotional”, “distorted”, “a joke” and other terms you have used. To expand, one must deconstruct this filter and dynamic. It takes work. It isn’t easy and involves a lot of discomfort. Yet the rewards are worth it. My sense is that your mind-body senses that there is something deeper here.

To me, you appear to be deeply immersed, attached and identified to a contracted story within a personality dynamic. There is nothing I can do to help you expand out of that contraction without the mind being open, curious and willing. My sense is your mind wants to maintain control of your mental narrative. Anything I say will go through a filter built to protect that narrative.

@Jed Vassallo In the future, I envision gentle 5-meo vaping integrated to vippassana and nonduality. For example, a morning sober meditation followed by a nondualty discussion, followed by a gentle 5-meo meditation session, followed by another nonduality discussion to help integration - followed by yoga etc.

When a mind is immersed within a thought story it is unaware of the dynamics of that thought story.

The cosmic joke can be so comical. ? You are literally creating an illusory character called “serotoninluv” in your mind and are totally unaware of this dynamic.

You seem to have a pre-conceived filter. I do not hold those beliefs, attachments or identifications. That is an illusory character created in your mind. I’d like to wave “hi” to that dream character in your mind ?. (wakey wakey).

Perhaps you should go and find out for yourself rather than fantasizing what it might be like. From the perspective of neuroscience, we know psychedelics induce neuritegenesis and synaptic plasticity, yet we know very little about long term neural structural changes and how to modulate psychedelic-induced structural changes. There has been some evidence that DMN connections are stably rewired, yet these are very early studies.

That is not what I am referring to. Of course there will be people that contextualize it as mere hallucination. Others will contextualize it very differently. This is one reason why baseline conscious level, development and maturity is so important. It influences how the trip will be contextualuzed and integrated.

Only partially true. There are some realizations that are “one and done”. You can’t unsee it. Yet there is also mind-body conditioning that can resurface as well.

The term “profound” in this context does not mean “nonsense”.

I didn’t make that claim. The majority of people that trip find it to be a deeply profound, life transformative experience. The majority of people do not dismiss it as merely a hallucination as you suggested.

After their first trip, the majority of people say it was one of the most profound experiences of their life.

Keep in mind much of the brain and body conditioning remains. Some of it may dissolve and the brain and body may be more relaxed and better adjusted to life. Yet 20-60 years of brain and body conditioning won’t untangle itself after a few trips beyond human form to godlike consciousness.

Reminds me of a few notes to self while tripping ? As well, previous life characters can be little jokesters.

@Leo Gura According to the theory, as the soul lives through lifetimes, can it gradually progress? I’ve met a lot of people that seem to sorta “get it”. Like there is something they can sense or they have glimpses of awakening. It is string enough to be a “knowing”, yet isn’t clear and pure. Some people seem to seek clarity through psychics, paranormal, past life regressions, hypnosis, dream analysis etc., while others seem to seek clarity by cleansing / purifying away egoic tendencies. Some people believe that others can spot an “old soul” or that there are soul connections. Not in an immature “soul mate” kinda way - a deeper resonance. In the mothership analogy, this might be like a probe becoming partially aware that there is “something”, yet it is hazy and cloudy - a low resolution view of the mothership. And have a sense that it’s own existence as a probe has been rebuilt before.

@Leo Gura Can a probe become aware of the Mothership?

This bings a dream analogy to mind. . . My dreams are new storylines each time. I may have a dream about surfing with an old high school friend in California. A week later, I may dream that I’m a character traveling through Ecuador on an expedition. There are no connections and memories between the dreams. It’s not like a dream character thinks “Wow, last Tuesday I was a surfer that lived in San Diego and now I’m a botanist studying fauna in Ecuador. I wonder if I can still surf”. The next dream I may be a magician in a another world. The higher consciousness in which all my dreams arise has no interest in connecting dream storylines. It seems to like to create new stories from scratch. Yet, sometimes there is a sense of deja-vu within a dream.

@Aldo I did an Ayahuasca retreat in Peru and the community was very into ceremony and ritual. They had a deep respect for the plants as spiritual medicine. Before one ceremony, the Shaman spoke to us all and then we each spoke about our intention. There were people that traveled from around the world there seeking Truth and there was a deep sense of respect, seriousness, openness, humility and surrender. This collective energy and consciousness greatly deepened the experience. Ime, psychedelics can also be used in less formal settings. One can have deeply profound experiences solo in their own home or at their local nature center. For me, respect, openness and humility are important in spiritual work. Psychedelics can also be used recreationally, yet that’s a different energetic vibe ime.

For me, yin yoga. I like it’s balance of meditation, deep relaxation, effort and surrender. Many people like kriya yoga and there is a mega thread on the forum for kriya. Different minds and bodies will resonate differently to different yoga forms. Even the same mind-body will resonate differently on different days. I do a mixture of three yoga forms.

This question may be looking to “breakthrough” objectivism to absolute. If so, ime direct experience is key. From direct experience of absolute, the human mind will naturally want to build constructs to make sense of it and provide the mind and body with a sense of grounding. This is a very different orientation than a mind-body lacking direct experience trying to figure out what it might be like by intellectualizing.